#929340 - 05/07/15 03:56 PM
Re: This is really eating at me..anyone feel this way?
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Registered: 06/18/01
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Jonas and Edgar.....fawk roll me a pinner cuz.
Edited by Sol Duc (05/07/15 03:58 PM)
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#929422 - 05/07/15 11:01 PM
Re: This is really eating at me..anyone feel this way?
[Re: Sol Duc]
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Repeat Spawner
Registered: 03/05/00
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Ya,the chum runs were certainly sensitive to the price of ikura.
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#929428 - 05/08/15 06:07 AM
Re: This is really eating at me..anyone feel this way?
[Re: Sol Duc]
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Repeat Spawner
Registered: 03/30/02
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Loc: Lake Stevens
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I definately don't get out as much but it could due to the fact all my favorite rivers are closed that time of year. I will continue to fish if I get those opportunities again, these fish are just awesome and I can't see myself stopping. Yakutat here I come
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#929437 - 05/08/15 08:14 AM
Re: This is really eating at me..anyone feel this way?
[Re: Sol Duc]
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River Nutrients
Registered: 04/25/00
Posts: 5078
Loc: East of Aberdeen, West of Mont...
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1968 - 2015.....
Early years, lots of wild and hatchery steelhead....fished all the rivers within 80 miles of where I live, but I was MUCH YOUNG and could do the walk in to places that many wouldn't walk to.
Can actual say, have not fished North of Humptulips in 20+ years. Do I miss the Hoh, the Queets, the upper Quinault ???? sure I do, but memories I have from the good days are still in my memory banks.
My local rivers, while I still fish them, have been taken over by the I5'ers and ohhhhhhhhhh so many guides. Nice to be able to fish during the week, gets away from some of the pressure.
Memories are good......just don't taste very good!!!!!!
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#929439 - 05/08/15 08:26 AM
Re: This is really eating at me..anyone feel this way?
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My Area code makes me cooler than you
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#929445 - 05/08/15 09:20 AM
Re: This is really eating at me..anyone feel this way?
[Re: Sol Duc]
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River Nutrients
Registered: 04/25/00
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Loc: East of Aberdeen, West of Mont...
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WDFW X 1 + 0
Thanks.......those 2 together was great and that song, one of my favorites....
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#929451 - 05/08/15 09:47 AM
Re: This is really eating at me..anyone feel this way?
[Re: Sol Duc]
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My Area code makes me cooler than you
Registered: 01/27/15
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I agree!! Sent it to me mommy for mothers day. She called me crying.  At true classic with both of them in their prime.
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#929463 - 05/08/15 10:45 AM
Re: This is really eating at me..anyone feel this way?
[Re: Sol Duc]
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River Nutrients
Registered: 01/13/03
Posts: 2665
Loc: Edmonds
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What blows me away is how sensitive fish runs are. Seems like yesterday when the Sky was choked full with Chum Salmon, now that run seems almost depleted.....it's crazy.  Sensitive? Pretty hard for chum to reproduce when they've been netter to historic low numbers. Set a low bar, and there's not much room for error.
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#929526 - 05/08/15 04:48 PM
Re: This is really eating at me..anyone feel this way?
[Re: Sol Duc]
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Registered: 09/24/10
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Hell, I am thinking of buying a bass boat.
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#929550 - 05/08/15 08:26 PM
Re: This is really eating at me..anyone feel this way?
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Carcass
Registered: 01/09/14
Posts: 2312
Loc: Sky River(WA) Clearwater(Id)
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Hell, I am thinking of buying a bass boat. Wouldn't go that far.  With neighboring states producing quality fisheries, I'm lucky to get 4-5 days a winter targeting nates on Puget sound rivers. Dont feel the desire to put anymore stress on a limited resource. Started fishing the Sky just as it was starting to fade. Lots of great memories... Wish we could have a turn the clock back day. Guess I'll have to settle with fresh hatch springers for now......
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#929557 - 05/08/15 08:47 PM
Re: This is really eating at me..anyone feel this way?
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April Fool
Registered: 06/18/01
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What blows me away is how sensitive fish runs are. Seems like yesterday when the Sky was choked full with Chum Salmon, now that run seems almost depleted.....it's crazy. Sensitive? Pretty hard for chum to reproduce when they've been netter to historic low numbers. Set a low bar, and there's not much room for error. Sensitive was the wrong word.
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#929561 - 05/08/15 10:00 PM
Re: This is really eating at me..anyone feel this way?
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~B-F-D~
Registered: 03/27/09
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Hell, I am thinking of buying a bass boat. Whoa whoa whao.... lets not let this thing get out of hand now, people talkin crazy like.
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#929572 - 05/09/15 07:06 AM
Re: This is really eating at me..anyone feel this way?
[Re: Sol Duc]
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Spawner
Registered: 12/14/01
Posts: 646
Loc: The Tailout
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If I wanted to really limit my impact on wild fish, I would just fly fish. On the rivers I fish, numbers are pretty stable. I've caught a couple dozen this year; have not had a bleeder or fish I suspected wouldn't make it. I think avoiding bait and using smaller hooks does a lot to limit impact. Hook size seems to get little attention in this arena, but I think it's a factor.
Wild steelhead are a superior sport fish IMHO.
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#929592 - 05/09/15 04:10 PM
Re: This is really eating at me..anyone feel this way?
[Re: Sol Duc]
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Returning Adult
Registered: 03/27/05
Posts: 395
Loc: Snohomish
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I have been struggling over this for a few years now. I can't with good conscience target our beautiful wild Steelhead any more. This decision is not an easy one to make. I've had my share of fun for 25 years and caught my share of fish. I just don't want to be part of the problem. I don't buy the mortality rate numbers that the "experts" have come up with. I don't really care fishing for brats, but I'm sure that will fit the bill when I want a tug. I can see more trips to Yakutat in the future. I'm not preaching to anyone who wants to fish for Nates, just venting. Does anyone else feel this way? Joined you in 2007. Feel the same way. I'm pretty much all salt all the time these days. Maybe a fresh water day or two for winter hatchery steelhead on the skykomish, a few days down on the hump in the fall with a buddy and that's it. My sled gets very very few hrs these days. -t
Edited by Salmo_Gairdneri (05/09/15 04:13 PM)
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#929596 - 05/09/15 06:36 PM
Re: This is really eating at me..anyone feel this way?
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River Nutrients
Registered: 03/08/99
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I don't feel this way. Oh, I find it plenty depressing that the state of our fisheries has come to this situation. And I used to have a reverence for steelhead that exceeded my interest for all other species. Then I came to realize that I'm just a steelhead addict, and that steelhead are just another salmonid. The things that makes steelhead special is that they are usually the least abundant salmonid, and they take artificial flies better than salmon do, but not any better than cutthroat and bull trout.
Although fishing regulations still allow wild steelhead retention on the OP, a survey report I recently read inidicated that only 3% of the wild steelhead caught were killed and retained. This makes CNR incidental mortality the primary sport fishing impact on wild steelhead. Who'da' thunk that 20 years ago? The upshot is that sport fishing mortality barely registers as a factor affecting wild steelhead abundance in WA state. I'm not saying that incidental mortality from CNR fishing doesn't matter; rather I'm saying that at this point it doesn't appear to have enough of an effect to be affecting population abundance.
The crowds of steelhead anglers have a more degrading effect on the quality of the steelhead fishing experience than they do on the wild steelhead resource. What that means for the future is that management of recreational steelhead fisheries is more about social engineering than it is about steelhead ecology and meeting spawning escapement objectives.
I still fish for wild steelhead. And I will continue to do so as long as I find satisfaction in doing so. I've long since selected a fishing method that limits my direct impact on the resource. If the time comes where I have reason to believe that my impact is having an adverse effect on the resource in terms of reducing population abundance, I'll quit. However, I expect that the continuing reduction in the quality of the angling experience will drive me away from steelhead fishing before the lack of steelhead does.
Sg My own opinion comes pretty close to this. I'm still willing to bushwhack remote areas that keeps me acquainted with these fish just enough to keep the interest there. Fishermen are few and impacts are low where I go but I don't go near as much in winter as I used to either…..partly due to epic crowds and limited options(river choices) but also because as I get older I just don't need a fish bad enough to get out of a warm bed at 3 in the morning in 35 degree rain on a January day only to play bumper boats down the river. More and more, summer and fall fisheries are where it's at for me.
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#929628 - 05/10/15 01:37 PM
Re: This is really eating at me..anyone feel this way?
[Re: Sol Duc]
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Returning Adult
Registered: 03/16/00
Posts: 329
Loc: snohomish, wa
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Don't see any reason to stop fishing. My limited time on the water won't affect a thing. Plus using the bug rod most of the time is even less of an impact. if the WDFW could do more good just by making it mandatory statewide to release wild steelhead then it would be start. But they are stuck in the same old game. Make few happy & the heck with the rest.
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#929671 - 05/10/15 10:43 PM
Re: This is really eating at me..anyone feel this way?
[Re: Sol Duc]
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River Nutrients
Registered: 03/15/99
Posts: 4214
Loc: Poulsbo, WA,USA
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I'm jacked to go steelhead fishing. Getting prepared to go after some chrome bright hatchery summeruns for an extended Memorial Day weekend. I live for this and love this time of year. Haven't fished since the end of last year when I caught some winter brats and released a nice wild hen. I don't target wild fish. Usually leave them alone this time of year when they are spawning.
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#929850 - 05/12/15 05:05 PM
Re: This is really eating at me..anyone feel this way?
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Spawner
Registered: 03/01/11
Posts: 993
Loc: Tacoma
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After over 50 years of steelhead fishing I too am wondering if fishing for wild steelhead is right. There are so many factors that have discouraged me including targeting wild fish. The overcrowding, poaching, netting etc. It's all a cluster fawk and I'm sick of it. Sadly there are still groups out there that will be more than happy to fish them out if given the chance. One of course is the tribes. The tribes have already asked for more wild fish since the sport fisherman is releasing them. Such intelligent thinking.
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