#943633 - 11/19/15 03:34 PM
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Captain C/22 - Team Stay Up Right!
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Who's got one & what bullets you running for predator hunting?
Sold my HB .243 Winchester awhile back, thinking of one of these in a bolt gun or a fast twist .223.
c/22
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#943643 - 11/19/15 06:34 PM
Re: 22-250
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Registered: 04/28/10
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Loc: Adna
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I've got a .22-250. It's a Remington 700. It once was a .308, now it's a .22-250.
Kind of a funky home made in the garage type of thing. Shilen select match stainless steel barrel, #3 contour, 26" long. Planted into a Brown Precision kevlar stock with a Leupold 4.5 x 14 Vari-X III resting on top of some crudely crafted home made scope rings.
I shot Noslers in 50 and 55 grain weights for years and years. Now I just stick with 55 grain Hornady V-Max bullets just because they work so well and are deadly accurate.
My advise, for what it is worth, if you feel you must have a .223, save it for ground squirrels and prairie dogs. Use the .22-250 for large marmots and coyotes.
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#943648 - 11/19/15 07:45 PM
Re: 22-250
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BB is too modest. That rig is probably a "one ragged holer". For the towels, hard to beat a .50... WARNING: Graphic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8U-OgoR7EVoDon't look Ceci
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#943664 - 11/20/15 07:47 AM
Re: 22-250
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Juvenile at Sea
Registered: 12/26/11
Posts: 160
Loc: Snohomish Co, Wa
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I run the 55 gr vmax in mine also. I get better accuracy with the sierra 60 gr hp, but dont mind giving up a little accuracy to get the effect im looking for on rodents. I think the 55 vmax is tough on fir.
I too would use the 223 on sm vermin, and if dogs r the target the 22-250 is a fine choise. My 2 are both rem m700, and sub " guns
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#943687 - 11/20/15 03:47 PM
Re: 22-250
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Juvenile at Sea
Registered: 05/28/13
Posts: 178
Loc: Tumwater
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52gr James Calhoon with Varget, Lapua and CCI BR 2's in mine.
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#943719 - 11/21/15 07:19 PM
Re: 22-250
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Three Time Spawner
Registered: 04/29/06
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...thinking of a fast twist .223.
c/22 This, in either the vanilla or the Improved version. Hard to top the efficiency. Half the powder of a '250 for a minuscule 15% or so reduction in mv for a given bullet. You'd likely pop more primers accordingly and smile each time. 62X's and slick 75's hit hard in adjacent ZIP Codes. You thinking easy to tote or a chunk?
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#943722 - 11/21/15 10:42 PM
Re: 22-250
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Captain C/22 - Team Stay Up Right!
Registered: 01/13/00
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Loc: Hurricane Ridge , Wa.
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Have a Rock River 20" in my hands right now. 1 in 8 twist stainless bull barrel. Nice crisp single stage trigger. Just mounted a 6-24 ×50mm on the rail.
Loaner from a good shooting buddy, all mine for a couple weeks.
Time for me to learn some AR, never really looked into one before. Always been a bolt guy.
c/22
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#943727 - 11/22/15 08:13 AM
Re: 22-250
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ExtenZe Field Tester
Registered: 11/10/09
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Loc: Vancouver, WA
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Have a Rock River 20" in my hands right now. 1 in 8 twist stainless bull barrel. Nice crisp single stage trigger. Just mounted a 6-24 ×50mm on the rail.
Loaner from a good shooting buddy, all mine for a couple weeks.
Time for me to learn some AR, never really looked into one before. Always been a bolt guy.
c/22 The AR is an amazing piece of engineering. I was always a bolt guy until recently when I scratch-built my first AR. Rock River uses Wilson Arms barrels with the .223 Wylde chamber. They are routinely very accurate.
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#943736 - 11/22/15 10:20 AM
Re: 22-250
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Captain C/22 - Team Stay Up Right!
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I'm about to "transfer" some lead downrange.
Keep ya posted.
c/22
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#943740 - 11/22/15 11:43 AM
Re: 22-250
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Captain C/22 - Team Stay Up Right!
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Last warning, don't pull that trigger! BTW, if you ever need a comparison shooter for a trip or two, let me know Lol, too late now. If this barrel is a Wison in .223 Wylde would it be marked as same?
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#943741 - 11/22/15 12:03 PM
Re: 22-250
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Registered: 11/10/09
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If this was purchased as a complete rifle from Rock River it should be marked .223 Wylde.
It will not be marked Wilson Arms.
There will also be a barrel code stamped on the barrel.
You can Google the barrel code for more info.
You will probably have to remove the handguard to see some of these marks.
Note:
Wilson Arms, a barrel maker, not to be confused with Wilson Combat, a gun maker.
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#943748 - 11/22/15 02:50 PM
Re: 22-250
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Captain C/22 - Team Stay Up Right!
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Got it
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#943869 - 11/24/15 02:46 PM
Re: 22-250
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Love me some shredded towel.
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#944022 - 11/28/15 09:29 PM
Re: 22-250
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Parr
Registered: 01/19/11
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Loc: Kitsap County
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I have a Ruger 77 mkII that loves 52 grain bergers being pushed by Win 760, single hole groups at 100
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#944025 - 11/29/15 08:51 AM
Re: 22-250
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Captain C/22 - Team Stay Up Right!
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If this was purchased as a complete rifle from Rock River it should be marked .223 Wylde.
It will not be marked Wilson Arms.
There will also be a barrel code stamped on the barrel.
You can Google the barrel code for more info.
You will probably have to remove the handguard to see some of these marks. Took the AR down, removed the gas block/tube assembly & free floating hand guard Found no barrel code on this one. Side of the action is marked Rock River Arms Cal. 5.56mm c/22
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#944204 - 12/02/15 11:51 AM
Re: 22-250
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River Nutrients
Registered: 05/27/00
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1:8 or 1:9 twist .223 flingin 75 gr A-Max....
5.56x45 and .223 are not throated the same so watch pressures!!
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#944216 - 12/02/15 04:53 PM
Re: 22-250
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Registered: 11/10/09
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Loc: Vancouver, WA
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If this was purchased as a complete rifle from Rock River it should be marked .223 Wylde.
It will not be marked Wilson Arms.
There will also be a barrel code stamped on the barrel.
You can Google the barrel code for more info.
You will probably have to remove the handguard to see some of these marks. Took the AR down, removed the gas block/tube assembly & free floating hand guard Found no barrel code on this one. Side of the action is marked Rock River Arms Cal. 5.56mm c/22 "side of the action"....Do you mean lower receiver ? If so, you must have an early RRA. Most all the new stuff says "cal-multi" because they are being built into so many different calibers these days. It is so easy to change barrels out on these things, you tend to ignore receiver markings. More info on RRA barrel markings... https://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=3&f=118&t=280677There is a clarification on their Wylde chambers. Mine is a 16" HBAR SS mid-gas Wylde. I think the mark is 215. Example 
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#944217 - 12/02/15 05:15 PM
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1:8 or 1:9 twist .223 flingin 75 gr A-Max....
5.56x45 and .223 are not throated the same so watch pressures!!
The Wylde chamber will safely digest both civilian .223 and military 5.56. "The .223 Wylde hybrid chamber was designed by Bill Wylde of Greenup, Illinois, to exploit the accuracy advantages of the .223 Remington chambering without pressure problems or compromising the functional reliability of semi-auto weapons like the AR-15 family when using 5.56×45mm NATO military ammunition.[2] Coincidentally, it shoots the relatively long and heavy 80-grain (5.18 g) bullets commonly used in the Sport Rifle Competition very well and is one of the preferred chambers for that use. The Wylde chamber is used by a few rifle manufacturers who sell "National Match" configuration AR-15 rifles, barrels, and upper receivers." The way Bill Wylde tells the story, is that the chamber was designed for single loading, long competition rounds. It was dumb luck that the new chamber shot everything well.
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#944220 - 12/02/15 06:16 PM
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Captain C/22 - Team Stay Up Right!
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Yes, is marked 5.56mm on the lower. Need to get up to speed on AR_speak.
No markings whatsoever on the barrel, just alot of stainless steel.
Thanks for the info & link D/D
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#944291 - 12/04/15 08:40 AM
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River Nutrients
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1:8 or 1:9 twist .223 flingin 75 gr A-Max....
5.56x45 and .223 are not throated the same so watch pressures!!
The Wylde chamber will safely digest both civilian .223 and military 5.56. "The .223 Wylde hybrid chamber was designed by Bill Wylde of Greenup, Illinois, to exploit the accuracy advantages of the .223 Remington chambering without pressure problems or compromising the functional reliability of semi-auto weapons like the AR-15 family when using 5.56×45mm NATO military ammunition.[2] Coincidentally, it shoots the relatively long and heavy 80-grain (5.18 g) bullets commonly used in the Sport Rifle Competition very well and is one of the preferred chambers for that use. The Wylde chamber is used by a few rifle manufacturers who sell "National Match" configuration AR-15 rifles, barrels, and upper receivers." The way Bill Wylde tells the story, is that the chamber was designed for single loading, long competition rounds. It was dumb luck that the new chamber shot everything well. That's right... If it's stamped .223 Wylde or 5.56x45 you are good shooting either. No stamp and I would be shooting NATO ammo from the hip... Watch for signs.... 
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#944382 - 12/06/15 09:38 AM
Re: 22-250
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Captain C/22 - Team Stay Up Right!
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So when you fire a NATO/ 5.56mm round in a .223 chambered rifle the reaction is a bit violent?
I can understand that as it's a hotter round with slightly different dimensions.
From my research the RRA I have is the .223 Wylde.
c/22
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#944385 - 12/06/15 10:32 AM
Re: 22-250
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So when you fire a NATO/ 5.56mm round in a .223 chambered rifle the reaction is a bit violent?
I can understand that as it's a hotter round with slightly different dimensions.
From my research the RRA I have is the .223 Wylde.
c/22 I don't know if you'd get a KABOOM, but you might see the classic over-pressure signs or possibly get a stuck case. .223 chambers are usually found in bolt guns while most all modern ARs are chambered in 5.56 (some are .223 Wylde) With the popularity of these cartridges, it is important to know that the chambers are not alike and the cartridges are not "the same thing". In the AR community, probably the biggest problem with .223 is that some of it is very weak and will not cycle a weapon set up for full power 5.56 You can tune them to run crap import ammo, but you don't want to test a new rig with crap ammo. Use full power Lake City 5.56 and get it running with that. Chamber Comparison 
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#945196 - 12/18/15 11:45 AM
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Shooting Instructor for hire
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Next, you'll tell us, we can't shoot .308 Win. and 7.62 NATO in the same guns ?
Thx
You can and can't. I'm a .308 / 7.62 NATO guy. The cases are NOT the same. Pressures in a .308 Win hunting round are much higher than 7.62 NATO human round. Single action bolt rifles need to withstand much higher pressures (90K PSI compared to 50K PSI). You can shoot 7.62 in a bolt gun all day long, but it is not advised to shoot .308 Win in a semi-auto 7.62 NATO...unless you don't like your face.
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#945198 - 12/18/15 12:23 PM
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Lord of the Chums
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yup, you can shoot 7.62x51 all day out of a .308, wouldnt do it the other way around tho....
the Saiga rifles fire both....
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#945203 - 12/18/15 01:52 PM
Re: 22-250
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Shooting Instructor for hire
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Correct. Saiga fires both but because its marked .308 Winny. There are lots of marked .308 semi-autos out there that will fire 7.62.
Headspace...headspace...headspace.
Skyguy and I were just having the .223 / 5.56 vs. .308 / 7.62 discussion the other night. I'm a firm believer in energy on target and BIG holes. Yeah, you can't carry as many rounds....but you don't have to shoot as much either. One and done battle rifles are the way to go. There is a reason why our troops and special operators carry the SCAR-17 now.
5.56 is a great, cheaper weekend round, less recoil and more rounds for the weight....but I want chit dead right fuggin' now. But that's just me. I wouldn't turn down a nice 5.56.
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#945204 - 12/18/15 02:03 PM
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Lord of the Chums
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its actually marked .308, 7.62x51... atleast mine were...
ive had a couple time issues firing x51 NATO rounds out of .308 SA's, sometimes they dont cycle, depending on origin of said shells, age, ect...
if its marked .308, run .308 out of it... running sh!t milsurp ammo out of .308 guns is like running Arco regular gas in your Lambo....
yeah it may work, but its not going to do what its capable of...
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#945213 - 12/18/15 03:59 PM
Re: 22-250
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A 5.56 is just about perfect for fruit shooting. Ladies and youngins appreciate the lack of recoil. I'm a .308 / 7.62 guy because I want a round that I can hunt everything with, while interchanging rifles from semi to bolt. Big game and perps alike. In my humble opinion, its the best SHTF caliber out there due to the versatility. I'm currently eye-balling a Kel-Tec RFB for chits and giggles. Kel-Tec doesn't have the best quality rep, but the RFB is frickin' cool and the round works nicely in my Weatherby .308 bolt gun. Lake City brass all the way.
Edit and PS: Bullpups aren't for everyone, but I like that the RFB is only about 24" long head to toe with a 16" barrel. It does take some balls to shoot a .308 with your face over the receiver though. Ears are a must becuse the muzzle is only 12" away.
Edited by NickD90 (12/18/15 04:09 PM)
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