#944733 - 12/12/15 07:51 AM
Blackmouth Blues
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Returning Adult
Registered: 06/29/00
Posts: 437
Loc: Kitsap County
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I'm really jonesing over the loss of our area 10 BM fishery. Live on the water and have to wake every morning looking out and watching the gull and grebe action that confirms the fish are there. To me, this was the only fishery that remained from the old days....no weekend warriors, snotty weather, fishing in the snow (always a hot bite for some reason), and free biting and hard fighting fish that my license fees paid to raise. What a shame that our fisheries management is so lost in the fog that this one remnant of the old days is now gone. My greatest fear is that this will become the norm. Memories: [img:center]  [/img]
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#944745 - 12/12/15 12:59 PM
Re: Blackmouth Blues
[Re: Chip Goodhue]
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Spawner
Registered: 06/09/07
Posts: 660
Loc: MA 5, 9, 10
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You and me both. I finally got a boat after a few years without. Got it all rigged and ready over the summer for the fall fishery. I'm reminded every day as it sits on the trailer. Having crab with blackmouth would have been great. With coho season catch data intruding on the blackmouth rules and quota, maybe they have to make adjustments to have a fishery at all.
I've damaged friendships for blasting guys for keeping natives or fishing over limits. I hate to see "SPORTSMEN" not using common sense and harvesting just because (misguided WDFW) rules say they can, like filling boats with sea bass, or tuna, or having 200 pounds of fish in the freezer. ALL our fisheries will be shut down someday for a variety of man-made causes. Its disturbing that we have to see it fade away right before our eyes, right in our back yard of Puget Sound, where now even the test-tube, produced-to-harvest blackmouth fishery is in the tank because of the overall health of Puget Sound fisheries. I wonder if we're past the point of restoring anything at all. I recall the Agate Pass true cod/ sabel fishery, rock cod are gone, and I'll bet Lings will be on the permanent no-fish list before long.
Rant over---for now.
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#944747 - 12/12/15 02:29 PM
Re: Blackmouth Blues
[Re: ned]
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Repeat Spawner
Registered: 07/06/04
Posts: 1069
Loc: Everett
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The end of Eastern modern elk season used to mean the kickoff to blackmouth fishing. I'd get home and be fishing asap.
This year really sucks
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#944748 - 12/12/15 03:12 PM
Re: Blackmouth Blues
[Re: Chip Goodhue]
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Returning Adult
Registered: 06/29/00
Posts: 437
Loc: Kitsap County
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Gonna have to take up duck hunting again......Dsmartie, and invitation please  .
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#944752 - 12/12/15 04:09 PM
Re: Blackmouth Blues
[Re: Chip Goodhue]
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River Nutrients
Registered: 11/07/99
Posts: 2689
Loc: Yelmish
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makes me think of the MA13 blackmouth fishery. hatcheries shut down, everything's gone now...
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#944780 - 12/13/15 06:26 PM
Re: Blackmouth Blues
[Re: ned]
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River Nutrients
Registered: 10/22/09
Posts: 3042
Loc: University Place and Whidbey I...
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"Filling the boat with "sea bass"?" In Puget Sound?? Fact: where rockfish may be retained in WA there is a daily catch limit. Tuna? Please tell us what percentage of total harvest that WA recreational fishers take? And please provide the basis for your comment about ling?
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#944801 - 12/14/15 10:01 AM
Re: Blackmouth Blues
[Re: ned]
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Repeat Spawner
Registered: 04/20/09
Posts: 1249
Loc: WaRshington
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and I'll bet Lings will be on the permanent no-fish list before long.
I'm not sure where you are coming up with some of this but in my opinion the health of PS Lingcod has been very well mitigated for using the selective harvest slot limits. Ask anyone who fished the islands back in the 80's, lots of lings, but not a lot of large ones. The slot limits have done a great job bolstering a healthy population of LARGE lings available for harvest.
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#944802 - 12/14/15 10:28 AM
Re: Blackmouth Blues
[Re: Chip Goodhue]
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Returning Adult
Registered: 08/15/12
Posts: 247
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What's awful is that it's shut for reasons that don't have anything to do with the amount of fish in the water.
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#944816 - 12/14/15 01:48 PM
Re: Blackmouth Blues
[Re: GodLovesUgly]
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River Nutrients
Registered: 10/22/09
Posts: 3042
Loc: University Place and Whidbey I...
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True. And how many ESA listed rockfish do those big ling take?  Keep an open mind on the aggregate impact of all predation on ESA listed rockfish recovery.
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#944821 - 12/14/15 02:51 PM
Re: Blackmouth Blues
[Re: Chip Goodhue]
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Returning Adult
Registered: 06/29/00
Posts: 437
Loc: Kitsap County
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Good point Larry.....we got a ling in BC this year that had a fresh 5 lb yelloweye in its gut, complete with a 5" inch salmon spoon in the yelloweye's jaw. That ling also had a whole plastic ice bag in its gut, so I guess there is some offset for being garbage men too?
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#944839 - 12/14/15 06:16 PM
Re: Blackmouth Blues
[Re: ned]
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Registered: 03/27/08
Posts: 1028
Loc: Snoqualmie WA/Cordova AK
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You and me both. I finally got a boat after a few years without. Got it all rigged and ready over the summer for the fall fishery. I'm reminded every day as it sits on the trailer. Having crab with blackmouth would have been great. With coho season catch data intruding on the blackmouth rules and quota, maybe they have to make adjustments to have a fishery at all.
I've damaged friendships for blasting guys for keeping natives or fishing over limits. I hate to see "SPORTSMEN" not using common sense and harvesting just because (misguided WDFW) rules say they can, like filling boats with sea bass, or tuna, or having 200 pounds of fish in the freezer. ALL our fisheries will be shut down someday for a variety of man-made causes. Its disturbing that we have to see it fade away right before our eyes, right in our back yard of Puget Sound, where now even the test-tube, produced-to-harvest blackmouth fishery is in the tank because of the overall health of Puget Sound fisheries. I wonder if we're past the point of restoring anything at all. I recall the Agate Pass true cod/ sabel fishery, rock cod are gone, and I'll bet Lings will be on the permanent no-fish list before long.
Rant over---for now. I agree that this year sucked in many ways for fishing, it rattled us all and was far from the norm. Puget Sound season was short, rivers were bone dry... there were a lot of closures that threw us all off. But it was still a great year for many. I often realize that the best virtue that a fisherman can have is optimism, it's how we all can spent countless hours on the water staring at a fishing rod, waiting and hoping for the best. I truly missed being able to fish like I had even last year. But I look back at those fun times at Camano for crabbing, Willapa Kings, Buoy 10, Humptulips & Queets Kings & Coho, Snohomish Coho, Sky Steel for the days that I did get out this year when the opportunity was there and had alot of great memories and fun times with friends. Whatever next year brings I will be ready.
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#944844 - 12/14/15 08:48 PM
Re: Blackmouth Blues
[Re: Chip Goodhue]
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King of the Beach
Registered: 12/11/02
Posts: 5213
Loc: Carkeek Park
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Both the blackmouth and resident coho fisheries have taken hits in recent years.
I'm glad I got to experience some epic blackmouth fishing in years past. Hoping to do so again in the future.
In regards to coho, if anyone got to participate in this fishery in years past and looks at it today, it is night and day.
I spent many winter days in the south sound beach fishing for them while they eat euphausiids and amphipods. They weren't big but they were plentiful and tasted great.
SF
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#944858 - 12/15/15 08:17 AM
Re: Blackmouth Blues
[Re: stonefish]
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Repeat Spawner
Registered: 04/20/09
Posts: 1249
Loc: WaRshington
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I'm glad I got to experience some epic blackmouth fishing in years past.
2014 was the best blackmouth year I have had the liberty of experiencing. Multiple fish over 20 for us, and lots of full boxes. I love this time of year.   I always really liked the coloration on this Double Bluff fish from 2012: 
Edited by GodLovesUgly (12/15/15 08:18 AM)
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#944865 - 12/15/15 10:07 AM
Re: Blackmouth Blues
[Re: Chip Goodhue]
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King of the Beach
Registered: 12/11/02
Posts: 5213
Loc: Carkeek Park
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GLU
Great looking fish.
I'm talking way back past recent years though.
Think the 80's. I used to work swing shift and would launch my boat at 5:30 every morning after work at Pt Defiance.
It was a three fish limit then and the fish were super plentiful.
Filling up a 30 fish card with blackmouth and silvers in 10 days in October was easy back then.
Hard to do that in the south sound these days on either blackmouth or silvers.
SF
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#944877 - 12/15/15 01:33 PM
Re: Blackmouth Blues
[Re: stonefish]
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Returning Adult
Registered: 06/29/00
Posts: 437
Loc: Kitsap County
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One from A-10 on T-day 2013...this kids first salmon! Don't see many this big down south. Next two weeks were always the peak time  [img:center]  [/img]
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#944880 - 12/15/15 03:06 PM
Re: Blackmouth Blues
[Re: stonefish]
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Repeat Spawner
Registered: 04/20/09
Posts: 1249
Loc: WaRshington
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GLU
Great looking fish.
I'm talking way back past recent years though.
Think the 80's. Yeah I've only heard tale of such things. I never got a chance to fish it before the major cuts to the Blackmouth program were initiated. It really is a shame, for sure. Bluebird days in the dead of winter are hands down my favorite days to be out on the sound.
Edited by GodLovesUgly (12/15/15 03:06 PM)
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#944882 - 12/15/15 03:23 PM
Re: Blackmouth Blues
[Re: Chip Goodhue]
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River Nutrients
Registered: 11/21/07
Posts: 7733
Loc: Olema,California,Planet Earth
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One of the dirty little secrets about salmon that rear in Puget Sound (blackout and resident coho) is that they accumulate a lot of toxins. More than ocean-run fish. Don't know the exact numbers.
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#944884 - 12/15/15 03:31 PM
Re: Blackmouth Blues
[Re: Chip Goodhue]
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Returning Adult
Registered: 06/29/00
Posts: 437
Loc: Kitsap County
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That is why I smoke em and send out as XMAS presents . I feel they are a superior fish smoked due to the high oil content, but I do (did) avoid eating too much myself.
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#944889 - 12/15/15 03:54 PM
Re: Blackmouth Blues
[Re: Carcassman]
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River Nutrients
Registered: 10/22/09
Posts: 3042
Loc: University Place and Whidbey I...
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One of the dirty little secrets about salmon that rear in Puget Sound (blackout and resident coho) is that they accumulate a lot of toxins. More than ocean-run fish. Don't know the exact numbers.
It may be "dirty" but not really a secret. Page 18 of the current regs pamphlet has a full page of consumption recommendations from the Dept. of Health (DOH). For Puget Sound the DOH provides a detailed break-out by WDFW marine areas and also specific "hot spots" within each of those areas. Here is the link: http://www.doh.wa.gov/CommunityandEnvironment/Food/Fish/Advisories/PugetSound.While they do not cite the actual levels they do indicate that the two primary contaminants are PCBs and methyl mercury. For all of the eastern strait, San Juans, Hood Canal and inner Puget Sound waters the general recommendation is for no more than one serving per week of (ocean) Chinook and no more than two servings per month of blackmouth (but, again, note any hot spots listed). One anecdotal comment: Pinniped reproduction seems not to have been adversely affected from eating all of those blackmouth (they have to have gone somewhere.....).
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#944891 - 12/15/15 04:01 PM
Re: Blackmouth Blues
[Re: Larry B]
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April Fool
Registered: 06/18/01
Posts: 15727
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I hooked a BM off Jeff Head with a jig....the fish shot up in the air and landed in the boat We laughed our asses off. Fish was about 7-8 pounds.
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