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#961612 - 07/27/16 11:31 AM Advice on getting a lien.
Sol Duc Offline
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To make a long story short, I built some custom kitchen cabinets for a neighbor of my Cousin. We agreed to a price 2 years ago, and I finished about 5 months later. We agreed to a price of 7k dollars, but like a dumbass I didn't have her sign a contract.

I'm thinking of taking a lien on one of her cars or condo. I have never done this before and have no clue how to follow up on this. Surely there is someone here that has done this before. I'm trying not to have to go to Small claims court. Any advice would be appreciated.
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#961614 - 07/27/16 11:38 AM Re: Advice on getting a lien. [Re: Sol Duc]
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Based on your post you should talk to an attorney. I've been in the title & escrow biz for a long time & it's been my experience that people that do their own legal work screw it up. I handled my first real estate deal in '67 & still run things by my attorney.


Edited by Chuck E (07/27/16 11:40 AM)
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#961616 - 07/27/16 11:43 AM Re: Advice on getting a lien. [Re: Sol Duc]
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The simple answer you can't just "get a lien." You've waited to long to file a contractor lien, which requires you to file suit to enforce anyway. At this point, your only option is to sue her. Don't wait. The SOL on an oral contract is 3 years.

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#961620 - 07/27/16 11:49 AM Re: Advice on getting a lien. [Re: Sol Duc]
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+1 for what WSU said. Also, small claims court is a lot easier than the very technical procedure required to get a lien, even if you could.

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#961624 - 07/27/16 11:56 AM Re: Advice on getting a lien. [Re: Sol Duc]
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Get a photo of her banging the neighbor and black-male her.

Your chances of getting paid will be better than going through the legal system.

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#961629 - 07/27/16 12:08 PM Re: Advice on getting a lien. [Re: WDFW X 1 = 0]
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I'm not a licensed contractor, just a hobbyist working with wood. Sounds like small claims court, she doesn't deny owing me the money, she just doesn't have the money. Her memory might change in front of the Judge though. I've offered to have her send me a hundred bucks a month, but she always has an excuse. Talk about no good deed goes unpunished. I did it for 50% less than a licensed contractor would have charged her, and she was thrilled with the final product.
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#961631 - 07/27/16 12:12 PM Re: Advice on getting a lien. [Re: Sol Duc]
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Originally Posted By: Sol Duc
I'm not a licensed contractor, just a hobbyist working with wood. Sounds like small claims court, she doesn't deny owing me the money, she just doesn't have the money. Her memory might change in front of the Judge though. I've offered to have her send me a hundred bucks a month, but she always has an excuse. Talk about no good deed goes unpunished. I did it for 50% less than a licensed contractor would have charged her, and she was thrilled with the final product.



of course she was thrilled, they were free.
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#961634 - 07/27/16 12:14 PM Re: Advice on getting a lien. [Re: Jerry Garcia]
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grin Thanks for the levity. grin
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#961645 - 07/27/16 01:00 PM Re: Advice on getting a lien. [Re: Sol Duc]
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Can't you only sue for maximum 5k in small claims? Doesn't higher have to go to civil?
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#961646 - 07/27/16 01:03 PM Re: Advice on getting a lien. [Re: Sol Duc]
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An unlicensed contractor cannot file suit, so you're screwed there too. It's also a gross misdemeanor to act as a contractor while not licensed. Look at RCW 18.27.020.

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#961648 - 07/27/16 01:06 PM Re: Advice on getting a lien. [Re: 5 * General Evo]
Sol Duc Offline
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Originally Posted By: Evo
Can't you only sue for maximum 5k in small claims? Doesn't higher have to go to civil?


Something like that, each state is different.
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#961651 - 07/27/16 01:29 PM Re: Advice on getting a lien. [Re: Sol Duc]
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Sounds like Sol Duc is an idiot? Shocking. There are better ways to score with the neighbor lady Suc Dic.

Maybe she didn't pay because the cabinets are shi.t? I'm sure there's more to this story.

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#961653 - 07/27/16 01:39 PM Re: Advice on getting a lien. [Re: Sol Duc]
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Were you collecting unemployment benefits when you did this under the table, cash job?

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#961662 - 07/27/16 02:15 PM Re: Advice on getting a lien. [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: Hankster
I'm thinkin' that getting the cost of materials out of her will be your best hope.

If you get too pushy with her she could file a complaint against you for contacting without a license. The fine for that would really put you in the hole.

She bought the materials before I started, but I still had to spend another 300ish to finish.
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#961663 - 07/27/16 02:16 PM Re: Advice on getting a lien. [Re: WDFW X 1 = 0]
Sol Duc Offline
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Originally Posted By: WDFW X 1 = 0
Were you collecting unemployment benefits when you did this under the table, cash job?

Nope, just on days off. I've never been on unemployment in my life.
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#961666 - 07/27/16 02:29 PM Re: Advice on getting a lien. [Re: ]
Sol Duc Offline
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There wont be a next time. If It had been any other person I would have covered my ass with a contract, but since it was my Cousin Cindy's neighbor I thought it would be a safe bet. My Cousin and Hubby just bought a new house in Clyde Hill. I still think there's a chance she will repay her debt to me, time will tell.

She was out of work for awhile with breast cancer.


Edited by Sol Duc (07/27/16 02:30 PM)
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#961669 - 07/27/16 02:44 PM Re: Advice on getting a lien. [Re: ]
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It's not that I'm not grasping it, this was just a decision I made on a fly to help her, not to make a living doing this. I have a full time job.
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#961672 - 07/27/16 03:04 PM Re: Advice on getting a lien. [Re: Sol Duc]
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I think Hank's point is that a written contract would be just as unenforceable as your oral contract. You can't enforce either one, so what help would a written contract be?

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#961677 - 07/27/16 03:59 PM Re: Advice on getting a lien. [Re: Sol Duc]
WDFW X 1 = 0 Offline
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Build a coffin.
Throw this all in it.
Nail the lid shut.
Bury it out back.

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#961678 - 07/27/16 04:18 PM Re: Advice on getting a lien. [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: stam
So were you helping her out...or trying to make money?

Pick one and stick with it.

I'll pick this one:

GFY, this is from a guy who has been screwing insurance companies for years. Your type of work is right there with transmission shops and pawn shops...congrats? And your hard on for govt workers is getting stale blah,blah,blah....sounds like you didn't have the smarts or foresight to get into those careers and now you're nothing but a bitter bondo douche bag.
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#961680 - 07/27/16 04:20 PM Re: Advice on getting a lien. [Re: Sol Duc]
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Not alot you can do, Duc. Without a contractor license, tax id, and insurance. Before threatening to do something your not supposed to do in the first place, I would talk to her and offer to accept payments. If she likes the work and is running on hard times, you should have no problem of her making payments. If she doesn't like the workmanship than your S.O.L Dunce........ shocked
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#961681 - 07/27/16 04:21 PM Re: Advice on getting a lien. [Re: Sol Duc]
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Originally Posted By: Sol Duc
Originally Posted By: stam
So were you helping her out...or trying to make money?

Pick one and stick with it.

I'll pick this one:

GFY, this is from a guy who has been screwing insurance companies for years. Your type of work is right there with transmission shops and pawn shops...congrats? And your hard on for govt workers is getting stale blah,blah,blah....sounds like you didn't have the smarts or foresight to get into those careers and now you're nothing but a bitter bondo douche bag.


thats a pretty stupid statement...
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#961682 - 07/27/16 04:25 PM Re: Advice on getting a lien. [Re: 5 * General Evo]
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Originally Posted By: Evo


thats a pretty stupid statement...


Well, he did ask for advice on the DS, and it is the day after Tuesday....
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#961684 - 07/27/16 04:38 PM Re: Advice on getting a lien. [Re: WDFW X 1 = 0]
Todd Offline
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Originally Posted By: WDFW X 1 = 0
Build a coffin.
Throw this all in it.
Nail the lid shut.
Bury it out back.


This.

The cost and difficulty of trying will cost far more than what she owes you...and because you have no contract, and are not a contractor, you will likely get nothing after all of that expense and time.

Shittty when you do work for a "friend" and they screw you like that.

Fish on...

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#961686 - 07/27/16 04:55 PM Re: Advice on getting a lien. [Re: Todd]
Sol Duc Offline
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Originally Posted By: Todd
Originally Posted By: WDFW X 1 = 0
Build a coffin.
Throw this all in it.
Nail the lid shut.
Bury it out back.


This.

The cost and difficulty of trying will cost far more than what she owes you...and because you have no contract, and are not a contractor, you will likely get nothing after all of that expense and time.

Shittty when you do work for a "friend" and they screw you like that.

Fish on...

Todd

Yeah, but I think she will do the right thing when she gets back to the work force. My Cousin sees her often at yoga classes and says she'll make it right. Thanks for the advice of those who weren't being just diks.


Edited by Sol Duc (07/27/16 04:56 PM)
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#961687 - 07/27/16 04:58 PM Re: Advice on getting a lien. [Re: Sol Duc]
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Tell that b!tch you're going to owe me $100 in a few months and she better cough it up.

wink

Fish on...

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#961688 - 07/27/16 05:01 PM Re: Advice on getting a lien. [Re: Todd]
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Cart in front of Horse...... grin
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#961695 - 07/27/16 06:19 PM Re: Advice on getting a lien. [Re: ]
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Uh, options?
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#961723 - 07/27/16 09:02 PM Re: Advice on getting a lien. [Re: Sol Duc]
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Sol Duc is sounding more and more like a huge piece of shi.t.


Trying to slap an unemployed cancer patient with a lien and a lawsuit for shoddy home made cabinet work is grade A douchebaggery.

Especially when he says he was just trying to "help her out" for "$7000" !!!

Made her pay for materials, takes months to complete the job while her kitchen is torn apart (cabinet man on his days off only) and then sticks her with a fat bill all while this poor woman is fighting breast cancer.

Fuc.k you Sol Duc. Its guys like you that give real tradesmen a bad name.

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#961728 - 07/27/16 09:23 PM Re: Advice on getting a lien. [Re: ]
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rofl smoke another blunt fatty. What would you know about a trade loser,,,,your just a dumbass dish dog. Your man Mom must be proud. grin
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#961733 - 07/27/16 11:12 PM Re: Advice on getting a lien. [Re: Sol Duc]
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Sol Duc has posted here a staggering 27 times TODAY! Holy fu.ck man, I'm the loser? Lol.

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#961739 - 07/28/16 07:58 AM Re: Advice on getting a lien. [Re: Sol Duc]
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It's pretty obvious you are not a priority to her and your own bad choices created your problem.

Do you blame the tree along the river when you fling your spinner well up it's trunk into its branches?

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#961747 - 07/28/16 11:16 AM Re: Advice on getting a lien. [Re: WDFW X 1 = 0]
Sol Duc Offline
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Originally Posted By: WDFW X 1 = 0
It's pretty obvious you are not a priority to her and your own bad choices created your problem.

Do you blame the tree along the river when you fling your spinner well up it's trunk into its branches?

No..I strip down and retrieve it. lol
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#961748 - 07/28/16 11:20 AM Re: Advice on getting a lien. [Re: ]
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Actually I bought a door at the bone yard with new hinges and swapped the interior panel with my old one, then Had my Bud paint it to the factory color. Sure beats taking it in the ASS at at a body shop.

Good to be resourceful thumbs


Edited by Sol Duc (07/28/16 11:21 AM)
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#961752 - 07/28/16 11:59 AM Re: Advice on getting a lien. [Re: Sol Duc]
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Originally Posted By: Sol Duc
I'm not a licensed contractor, just a hobbyist working with wood. Sounds like small claims court, she doesn't deny owing me the money, she just doesn't have the money. Her memory might change in front of the Judge though. I've offered to have her send me a hundred bucks a month, but she always has an excuse. Talk about no good deed goes unpunished. I did it for 50% less than a licensed contractor would have charged her, and she was thrilled with the final product.


Ah, the intelligence of a Trump voter! You just backed up everything I've said about fools who vote for Trump. By the way, check out the multitude of scams your boy has perpetrated on guys just like you. If you think she stiffed you wait until you feel the sting in your @ss from Trump. Sorry for being so harsh but you being a Trump guy I though I would give it to you "Trump Style!"

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#961758 - 07/28/16 12:43 PM Re: Advice on getting a lien. [Re: Sol Duc]
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Stam,
I would head down the street to the local eatery and prey on some of that.
All you can eat.

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#961779 - 07/28/16 03:32 PM Re: Advice on getting a lien. [Re: Sol Duc]
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I hope she is as well.

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#961781 - 07/28/16 03:39 PM Re: Advice on getting a lien. [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: stam
When my 36 year body long shop scam runs out



Solid! The only mistake is your mom didn't swallow. You will never have the wealth that I will have at retirement age......I'm one of the lucky 6 out of 600 lottery winners. Snow bird wherever I choose, probably winter in Tucson with my Sis and BIL...and summer on the Wa coast. Lot's of traveling in a Prevost motor home. Heaven can wait. Retiring at 58 in great health.

Rocking this up to Bulkley valley with my bud.





Edited by Sol Duc (07/28/16 03:54 PM)
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#961784 - 07/28/16 03:55 PM Re: Advice on getting a lien. [Re: ]
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First jealous hater....a demonrat at that. grin


Edited by Sol Duc (07/28/16 03:57 PM)
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#961785 - 07/28/16 03:59 PM Re: Advice on getting a lien. [Re: Sol Duc]
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If my Prevost gets a dent I know where NOT to bring it....Spams body fraud shop. thumbs
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#961787 - 07/28/16 04:08 PM Re: Advice on getting a lien. [Re: Sol Duc]
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What an ass....

And how do you keep the sh!t from flying off the table while driving? You glue it?

Either that or you stole that pic off the fvckin internet...

Palm trees....
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#961788 - 07/28/16 04:11 PM Re: Advice on getting a lien. [Re: Sol Duc]
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oh just shut the fuk up. guys have said terrible [Bleeeeep!] to my mom and my gfs. its par for course. don't get all butt fuk hurt when you deem necessary.

that's to everybody on here.
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#961790 - 07/28/16 04:15 PM Re: Advice on getting a lien. [Re: dwatkins]
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My skin is like an Elephant, I love haters and people who turn green with envy. Mom jokes are always welcomed. #notsweatingit. thumbs
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#961795 - 07/28/16 05:31 PM Re: Advice on getting a lien. [Re: Sol Duc]
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wasn't talking to you specifically.
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#961809 - 07/28/16 08:11 PM Re: Advice on getting a lien. [Re: Sol Duc]
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It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.

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Nobody really gives a fu.ck who you were talking to anyway.




Hope this helps.
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#961824 - 07/29/16 12:13 AM Re: Advice on getting a lien. [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: stam
Ripping photos off the the web seems like a logical move after failing at ripping off little old ladies for cabinets. thumbs

No cabinet photos?

....didn't thinks so.

And, you're right, your dumb ass would be lucky if you could afford to buy a used tent from a bum under I-5.

wink

Good story scam....at least you didn't cry about gvt workers or the QQ. Are you a drag Queen in the making? You seem to obsessed with KK. Coming out of the closet has to be a big relief.


Edited by Sol Duc (07/29/16 12:13 AM)
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#961833 - 07/29/16 06:39 AM Re: Advice on getting a lien. [Re: Sol Duc]
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#961872 - 07/29/16 12:25 PM Re: Advice on getting a lien. [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: stam
You mad, bro'....or did your lapdog get up on your keyboard and bang that out? wink You start a dark side thread inviting the gang to your pity party and nobody shows up...did you expect anything else?
Look at the bright side, you didn't have to buy a business license, contractors license, insurance or pay sales tax, income tax or business and occupation tax, hell...she's the one doing you a favor by not paying.
The rest was just good clean dark side fun, watching you try to rally support and bond with TheQueen with mom jokes seemed desperate (low, btw) ..but fitting, as the only moms you two could ever bang would be your own. evil
Thanks for sharing thumbs like I said earlier.....we can all learn from your mistakes.
Good luck.....and enjoy your shiny new picture of that RV.

You should know not to take the DS so serious, seems like you need a little reminder.I'm just funning you, have a great weekend.
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#961884 - 07/29/16 01:04 PM Re: Advice on getting a lien. [Re: ]
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Look butt wipe....Dogs are off limits. smile
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