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#962195 - 08/03/16 12:52 PM Re: Agree? [Re: RowVsWade]
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Originally Posted By: RowVsWade
Nothing is a deterrent to devoted criminals but capital punishment guarantees that it's a cure for recidivism.

One big draw back is that innocent people have died by CP.
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#962197 - 08/03/16 01:29 PM Re: Agree? [Re: WDFW X 1 = 0]
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With modern forensics and DNA testing the chance of error is virtually nil.
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#962198 - 08/03/16 01:31 PM Re: Agree? [Re: Sol Duc]
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Originally Posted By: Sol Duc
Originally Posted By: RowVsWade
Nothing is a deterrent to devoted criminals but capital punishment guarantees that it's a cure for recidivism.

One big draw back is that innocent people have died by CP.


And sometimes the guilty go free. If it doesn't fit you must acquit.
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#962227 - 08/03/16 04:49 PM Re: Agree? [Re: WDFW X 1 = 0]
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It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.

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Weak.
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#962228 - 08/03/16 05:00 PM Re: Agree? [Re: RowVsWade]
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Originally Posted By: RowVsWade
With modern forensics and DNA testing the chance of error is virtually nil.

A lot of them have been there 20+ years, when DNA testing isn't like it is now.
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#962234 - 08/03/16 06:27 PM Re: Agree? [Re: WDFW X 1 = 0]
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A large portion of crime would not exist if drug adiction was treated as a medical/mental health issue instead of using the criminal justice system to deal with this problem. But then all you sadists wouldn't get to validate your fantasies about beating the crap out of or killing people. Oh well

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#962239 - 08/03/16 07:49 PM Re: Agree? [Re: WDFW X 1 = 0]
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RvW is apparently OK with innocent people being incarcerated or executed.

The fu.ck?
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#962242 - 08/03/16 08:10 PM Re: Agree? [Re: Keta]
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Originally Posted By: Keta
A large portion of crime would not exist if drug adiction was treated as a medical/mental health issue instead of using the criminal justice system to deal with this problem. But then all you sadists wouldn't get to validate your fantasies about beating the crap out of or killing people. Oh well


+1

The problem is that it becomes more expensive to treat drug addiction than it is to simply incarcerate someone for it. It also requires willingness to change and to want the help as well to receive treatment that is beneficial. Unfortunately, many users do not want to change when it comes to using drugs.


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#962243 - 08/03/16 08:22 PM Re: Agree? [Re: Keta]
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Originally Posted By: Keta
A large portion of crime would not exist if drug adiction was treated as a medical/mental health issue instead of using the criminal justice system to deal with this problem. But then all you sadists wouldn't get to validate your fantasies about beating the crap out of or killing people. Oh well

We need to address this ASAP. 90% of these inmates will be out amongst us in months or a few years.
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#962244 - 08/03/16 08:45 PM Re: Agree? [Re: WDFW X 1 = 0]
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For a country that usually is looked up to as a leader on issues, we sure have a piece of sh!t for a criminal justice system.

I think a lot of it has to do with career-building prosecutors and judges, mandatory sentencing, and for-profit prisons.

Whatever it boils down to, there is little justice, and little rehabilitation going on in our "system".
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#962245 - 08/03/16 08:53 PM Re: Agree? [Re: Dan S.]
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Originally Posted By: Dan S.
For a country that usually is looked up to as a leader on issues, we sure have a piece of sh!t for a criminal justice system.

I think a lot of it has to do with career-building prosecutors and judges, mandatory sentencing, and for-profit prisons.

Whatever it boils down to, there is little justice, and little rehabilitation going on in our "system".



I agree!! From law enforcement that spends more time extorting money than they do catching real criminals all the way to the top, our criminal justice system is criminal and very little justice is rendered in the broken system.
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#962252 - 08/03/16 10:41 PM Re: Agree? [Re: WDFW X 1 = 0]
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After working patrol a couple years, it was obvious this whole drug enforcement thing or war on drugs was bull and a scam. It was used as a way for law enforcement to "tax" people, "extort" them with the protection of the law.

it was obvious that people with a desiese\mental illness of addiction were not in control of their actions and were only out commuting crimes because they were in a perpetual situation of being viewed as "subhuman criminals", where they were not accepted as part of society and they lacked the self control and confidence to pull themselves out of despair. If drug addiction had been treated as a desiese instead of a crime, these individuals would have a much easier and quicker path to rehabilitation. Herroin, meth, cocaine, safe pharmaceutical grade should be provided by medical professionals, with optional counseling and optional treatment. If this was the case these people could live normal lives and still be addicts, hold jobs and everything. They would not be treated like criminals and forced to commit crimes.

It would be much cheaper and more humane to just provide them with safe drugs than to have a DEA, and all the other government infrastructure to fight drugs. Also it would be better for families and communities because crime would go way down, drug running from Mexico would stop and drug use would go way down after a short time.

When addicts are not treated differently, co mingle with the rest of society many of them see the error in their ways and decide not to be addicts anymore, this has been proven in some European countries.

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#962257 - 08/04/16 08:12 AM Re: Agree? [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: RICH G
After working patrol a couple years, it was obvious this whole drug enforcement thing or war on drugs was bull and a scam. It was used as a way for law enforcement to "tax" people, "extort" them with the protection of the law.

it was obvious that people with a desiese\mental illness of addiction were not in control of their actions and were only out commuting crimes because they were in a perpetual situation of being viewed as "subhuman criminals", where they were not accepted as part of society and they lacked the self control and confidence to pull themselves out of despair. If drug addiction had been treated as a desiese instead of a crime, these individuals would have a much easier and quicker path to rehabilitation. Herroin, meth, cocaine, safe pharmaceutical grade should be provided by medical professionals, with optional counseling and optional treatment. If this was the case these people could live normal lives and still be addicts, hold jobs and everything. They would not be treated like criminals and forced to commit crimes.

It would be much cheaper and more humane to just provide them with safe drugs than to have a DEA, and all the other government infrastructure to fight drugs. Also it would be better for families and communities because crime would go way down, drug running from Mexico would stop and drug use would go way down after a short time.

When addicts are not treated differently, co mingle with the rest of society many of them see the error in their ways and decide not to be addicts anymore, this has been proven in some European countries.


This must have been written by Rich G's gnome. It makes too much sense to come from Rich himself.

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#962259 - 08/04/16 08:28 AM Re: Agree? [Re: WDFW X 1 = 0]
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"It also requires willingness to change and to want the help as well to receive treatment that is beneficial. Unfortunately, many users do not want to change when it comes to using drugs."
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Drug "addiction" is such a bullchit excuse.
I've personally been "addicted" to a few different highly "addictive" substances.
Guess what..........................I Fa King sucked it up and changed my behavior.

No different than fat people with an eating disorder.......put down the fork!!!

It all comes back to a complete lack of self discipline and/or effort.

Some people have none of that and never will.

The drug "addiction" has simply attached itself to a dead beat host that isn't strong enough to suck it up and never will be.

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#962262 - 08/04/16 09:05 AM Re: Agree? [Re: WDFW X 1 = 0]
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Drugs is big business for both the private and public sectors. Government is not in the business of putting themselves or others out of business.

See Ronnie's comment below.......
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#962515 - 08/07/16 05:34 PM Re: Agree? [Re: Dan S.]
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Originally Posted By: Dan S.
For a country that usually is looked up to as a leader on issues


Dan, the 80's are gone....
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