#984412 - 01/28/18 10:43 AM
Re: Steelhead plantings.
[Re: jgreen]
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Alevin
Registered: 10/29/15
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Correction, they already have been for Years!!
Planting more fish will attract even more out of town newbie guides and anglers that have little to no ethics or respect to others.
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#984417 - 01/28/18 11:07 AM
Re: Steelhead plantings.
[Re: Carcassman]
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Repeat Spawner
Registered: 12/06/07
Posts: 1385
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The Puyallups are, or were, heavily involved in the White River Steelhead.
The acoustic tagging data I have seen across species seems to show little difference in downstream survival between hatchery and wild fish of the same species. In fact, hatchery fish will occasionally show higher survivals when they are mass released rather than the volitional migration of wild fish. This would suggest that the losses are predator-based and probably based on (rather) small predator population taking a constant number of fish per day.
Some losses we saw on downstream migration between two traps could be explained energetically by one Great Blue Heron. Or the gauntlet of a 100 plus Cormorants staged below Clarks Crk, working the river every spring, just when the smolts start their way out! Those missing pit tags are probably in the Shiiaat in the Cormorant rookeries.
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#984425 - 01/28/18 11:41 AM
Re: Steelhead plantings.
[Re: WDFW X 1 = 0]
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Repeat Spawner
Registered: 12/06/07
Posts: 1385
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You guys base all your junk science on the numbers provided by who?
WDFW?
WDFW......... The same clowns that couldn't even count the number of fish in a net pen? The same lame ducks that couldn't figure out where or how the fish disappeared?
Give me a break.
Your numbers are a joke.
Plant fish morons!!! Numbqua. He has a point. I know a retired hatchery guy that doctored numbers for years, but on the positive side. Per the rules of Bio's and ESA stuff. If the river was only suppose to plant a fixed number and they had three times that on hand, they all got released, but that fixed number was published. The result, huge returns, awesome fishing! No destroying them or planting them in some lake somewhere. I have always been skeptical of published plant numbers. These days I believe we are getting the short end of the stick. The hatchery employees are either rule followers or lazy, and aren't willing to work hard to produce big numbers and release them all.
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#984497 - 01/29/18 07:47 AM
Re: Steelhead plantings.
[Re: RUNnGUN]
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My Area code makes me cooler than you
Registered: 01/27/15
Posts: 4549
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You guys base all your junk science on the numbers provided by who?
WDFW?
WDFW......... The same clowns that couldn't even count the number of fish in a net pen? The same lame ducks that couldn't figure out where or how the fish disappeared?
Give me a break.
Your numbers are a joke.
Plant fish morons!!! Numbqua. He has a point. I know a retired hatchery guy that doctored numbers for years, but on the positive side. Per the rules of Bio's and ESA stuff. If the river was only suppose to plant a fixed number and they had three times that on hand, they all got released, but that fixed number was published. The result, huge returns, awesome fishing! No destroying them or planting them in some lake somewhere. I have always been skeptical of published plant numbers. These days I believe we are getting the short end of the stick. The hatchery employees are either rule followers or lazy, and aren't willing to work hard to produce big numbers and release them all. Numbqua is drinking the KoolAid. Hatchery managers once took pride stocking rivers. It was their legacy. Per Cindy and other WDFW rocket scientists they couldn't even count fish if they were in a net!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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#984589 - 01/30/18 10:54 AM
Re: Steelhead plantings.
[Re: Krijack]
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Returning Adult
Registered: 11/28/01
Posts: 324
Loc: olympia
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I've seen steelhead 'planted' when there was no water in the ladder...they all died..but they were planted! people will fake numbers ,release sizes ,condition factors,feed conversions....if you complain they just deny it...like everything...and you have to work for these people that can make your life hell so ....yeah ...
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