actually, i know exactly how they are produced, what you dont get, is that they are both FARM RAISED..

growing fast is the trait they are bred for CM, you know that....

Well yes the GH does. Jack Marshal raised hybrid trout for market and taught us how to do it. Get a normal lake plant rainbow and rear it for another year. Floating feed controls waste and yes a big pond is very helpful. They will be 4 to 6 lbs by lake season. Yeah that poor kid! Had his rod on a crutch chatting away and zip off went the rod. The other one I recall is a fly rod zipping right down canoe before the guy could react. Guess we should have said more but didn't want to draw attention so they were expecting the normal trout. Raise them one more year they go between 8 to 14 lbs but you loose about 50% to mortality. ( spawning mode thing and males biggest hit ) I chose to hold a couple hundred over do the extra year and around 14 is the largest I recall. In my mind a kid would rather catch one 8 lb fish than those crappy lake plants and they do. You would be amazed how much certain staff fought the concept seemed to think number over size but the problem is that is BS.


Did trips for a bit but damn folks they are slugs! They do not put on weight and size as do the standard rainbow.

This is the paper in question.
https://www.preventivecare.com/shared/pdf/GlobalAssessmentSalmon-Hites.pdf

Besides dioxin levels, Pacific farmed Atlantic salmon are pretty comparable to BC Chinook. I think the take home message for west coasters is if you really want to avoid pollutants eat chum and pink .

Nice find the_chemist.
"Even the least contaminated farmed salmon, from Chile and Washington state, had significantly higher contaminant loads of PCBs, dioxins, and dieldrin than wild salmon."

That study mentions they did not test farmed pacific salmon. Here is a comparison:
http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/es060409%2B?journalCode=esthag

"Atlantic salmon contained higher PCB concentrations (means, 28−38 ng/g) than farmed coho or chinook salmon, and levels in these latter species were similar to those in wild counterparts (means, 2.8−13.7 ng/g"

"Safe to eat"...

For those who like to look at scientific papers and draw conclusions look at the bar charts for PCB levels in the Hites paper linked by "the chemist". Compare those levels to the levels found in wild Puget Sound chinook in the paper linked below. The contaminate levels are as high and in resident chinook much higher than the worst farmed salmon. It is all in the fat, even though Atlantic salmon contain the most fat of all a belly strip from a Puget Sound Chinook is not something people of child bearing age should eat.

Puget Sound PCB's

Thanks for the link.
Farmed Salmon study they tested fillets like humans eat.
Orca study they tested whole fish like Orcas eat.

Good link Dogfish. Thanks!

I'm a little confused by your comment. Do you think Pacific farmed Atlantics are significantly worse than to eat than wild salmon?

"Atlantic salmon contained higher PCB concentrations (means, 28-38 ng/g) than farmed coho or chinook salmon, and levels in these latter species were similar to those in wild counterparts (means, 2.8-13.7 ng/g)"

It seems odd you'd leave out the very next sentence

"PCB levels in Atlantic salmon flesh were, nevertheless, 53-71-fold less than the level of concern for human consumption of fish, i.e., 2000 ng/g as established by Health Canada and the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (US−FDA)"

Here's the full version for those not in the ivory tower of academia.

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Sim...mbia-salmon.pdf

I left that part out because it is a B.C. study from cleaner waters where all the fish were deemed safe. It's a another apples and oranges comparison.
"The overall ranking for average wet weight PCB contaminate levels found within all of the preceding sources of salmon was: F-Atlantic >Wild Chinook >F-Chinook >F-Coho> Wild Sockeye >Wild Coho>Wild Pink>Wild Chum.
The ranking found for PCDD/F contaminate levels was: F-Atlantic> F-Chinook> F- Coho >Wild Sockeye >Wild Chinook >Wild Chum>Wild Coho>Wild Pink."

All evidence so far points to farmed Atlantics being more contaminated then any other wild or farmed fish.
Still waiting for any evidence that Puget Sound Atlantic Salmon have ever been tested.

It doesn't bother anyone that Wdfw is saying that these fish are "safe to eat" without testing and without mentioning consumption advisories?

I believe that WDFW responsibility lies in disease issues and escapees.

WA DOH, the agency that handles the shellfish advisories would probably be the responsible agency for fish products. Not sure where the Dept of Agriculture or the Dept of Ecology would fit into the mix.

All three agencies plus the Dept of Natural Resources are involved to some extent

At least in the past, WDFW concerned itself only with the bio/political issues surrounding conservation fish. Open/close seasons. There were times when toxic algae blooms occurred that WDFW left the fishery open since there was no conservation reason to close it; it was up to DOH to rule on eating safety.

As to the Atlantics, WDFW sees they need to be removed (and you need a license). DOH will rule on food safety.

As has been alluded to here, the PS-resident Chinook and coho (hatchery reared specifically to remain) are quite hot for toxins. WDFW still stocks them as they support a desired fishery. The catching is their concern, the eating is DOH's.

I’m wondering what percentage of people fear to eat Atlantic salmon due to the publicity.

A guy walked up to me as I was filling my boat with gas and asked if I had heard about the AS. I said yes and he said are you going up there and fish for them. No, because there are salmon around here. He said would you eat one if you caught one down here and I said of course. “Really” he said. Yes, they are raised for human consumption and sold in the grocery stores like any other meat grown for retail. He said, he might go catch and release but never eat one because of medicines. I take it that you are a vegetarian and don’t drink milk because of the possibility of medication given animal raised and sold in grocery/retail stores.

As he walked off, I said it might not hurt to Google aspartame that is in your diet soda can in your hand. He said diet pop is healthier than sugared pop.

Here’s your sign.

Cooke does have a RAS in rochester...grows an AS from hatch to 100g+ in @4 months...they use lots and lots and lots.of formalin with densities so high(pacific salmon wouldn't do so good at those densities)...injection with IHN and Vibrio vaccines before shipping to net pens..

Rearing density is one of the chief differences between commercial fish culture and public-for-release culture. The fish for release have to be able to survive in the wild; the captives just to reach market size. And, a cultured fish does not really need to "look pretty" so long as the flesh looks good. On them fins are for decoration.

also,as far as i recall...no one at the hatchery even ate the fish they raised ...

I have never seen a statement on the WDFW front page that resident Chinook and Coho are safe to eat.

Then they should not comment on what they do not know about.
Very irresponsible!

If everything important was on the front page.........there wouldn't be a pretty picture there.

So, how about page 2 citing Department of Health Contact Information and page 16 which again refers readers to the DOH with both a website and telephone nummber and on the same page under the listed specific area recommendations it refers again to DOH for info on Puget Sound all species.

No, not the front page but readily available.

I'm talking about this link on the front page Larry B: http://wdfw.wa.gov/news/aug2417a/

"Warren noted the escaped Atlantic salmon are 8 to 10 pounds in size and are safe for people to eat."

No wonder there is confusion. That link is to a one page News Release. But maybe page one of a one page issuance is its front page. Then again, if described as a "front page" I would expect to also find a "back page." So, for a one page issuance is it both the front and back page?

Anyway, what I responded to was the implication that WDFW does not provide info pertaining to health warnings issued by DOH. It is clear that they do in the Sport Fishing Rules booklet which everyone should have in a used condition.