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#995088 - 10/23/18 05:45 PM SUSEWIND... why so lo-pro?
eyeFISH Offline
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So why is he so incognito after taking the reigns? I mean not a PEEP since the announcement that he was to be the new WDFW Director.

What gives?
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#995092 - 10/23/18 06:24 PM Re: SUSEWIND... why so lo-pro? [Re: eyeFISH]
Carcassman Offline
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Keeping one's mouth closed prevents feet from occupying it.

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#995102 - 10/23/18 08:19 PM Re: SUSEWIND... why so lo-pro? [Re: eyeFISH]
bushbear Offline
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Loc: Sequim
I think he's doing a lot of listening and watching. Coming from outside, his learning curve is going to be pretty steep. He's been in the chair for just over two months. Have seen/talked with him at a couple of the Orca Task Force meetings. Understand he's scheduled some "listening" meetings around the state. To his credit, he did make a move on a wolf issue. He's got a challenge ahead of him. In my book, a slow start is okay.

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#995104 - 10/23/18 08:27 PM Re: SUSEWIND... why so lo-pro? [Re: eyeFISH]
ned Offline
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Registered: 06/09/07
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Open House meetings across the state:
https://wdfw.wa.gov/news/oct1718a/

October 17, 2018
Contact: Jason Wettstein (360) 902-2254

WDFW invites the public to attend
open house events across state

OLYMPIA – The Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW) has scheduled six open house events this fall to give the new director an opportunity to discuss the agency's long-term plans to conserve fish and wildlife and promote outdoor recreation throughout the state.

"The department's work is fundamental to people's quality of life and livelihoods in Washington," said Kelly Susewind, WDFW director. "Our work to conserve fish and wildlife and provide sustainable opportunities affects everyone. Whether you're an active outdoorsperson or you're someone that buys locally-caught seafood at the market, the public expects us to be good stewards of these resources and the public has a say in how they are managed."

Susewind added, "These meetings will allow me to introduce you to my values and approach and I'm eager to hear what's important to you."

Specific topics will include an overview of the department's work in each region, a summary of budget and policy proposals for the 2019 legislative session, and a discussion about how the department should position itself to address new, long-term challenges that affect fish and wildlife.

The open houses, all scheduled for 6:30-8:30 p.m., will take place at the following dates and locations:

Nov. 5 – CenterPlace Regional Event Center, 2426 N. Discovery Place, Spokane Valley
Nov. 6 – Grant County Public Works, 124 Enterprise St. SE, Ephrata
Nov. 7 – Selah Civic Center, 216 1st St., Selah
Nov. 13 – Montesano City Hall, 112 North Main Street, Montesano
Nov. 14 – WDFW Ridgefield Office, 5525 South 11th Street, Ridgefield
Dec. 12 – Issaquah Salmon Hatchery Watershed Science Center, 125 W Sunset Way, Issaquah

Last June, the Washington Fish and Wildlife Commission voted unanimously to select Susewind as WDFW's director.

"I am committed to the mission of the agency, and that means hearing from people who care about Washington's fish and wildlife," said Susewind. "I want to share what I have learned so far, but listening to people and their ideas is my main reason for inviting people to attend these events."

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#995107 - 10/24/18 06:40 AM Re: SUSEWIND... why so lo-pro? [Re: eyeFISH]
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I'll be at the November 13 meeting......tired of the "kick the can down the road" by past directors, Region 6 staff and WDFW Fish management on NOT getting Wynoochee Mitigation completed.....


really is time, 26 years, "xhit or get off the pot" and do something!!!!!!
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#995108 - 10/24/18 07:04 AM Re: SUSEWIND... why so lo-pro? [Re: eyeFISH]
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Have a question about the Wynoochee Mitigation but it also ties to removal of the Snake Dams.

The pot of money for Wynoochee is, if memory serves, from Tacoma when they installed hydro generation in the dam. I have heard that they are might/will walk away when this FERC permit expires. If so, then are they now absolved of a mitigation requirement and they get their money back since WDFW never (apparently) wanted or needed mitigation there? The dam is the Corps, so mitigation for the dam itself is their gig.

Which brings me to the Snake. If we take the dams out, then the reason for building, funding, and operating the Lyons Ferry Hatchery goes away. Dams, go, shut down the hatcheries or at least the requirement that the Corps funs them as mitigation for the dams.

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#995110 - 10/24/18 07:28 AM Re: SUSEWIND... why so lo-pro? [Re: Carcassman]
Tug 3 Offline
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Registered: 03/06/14
Posts: 275
Loc: Tumwater
Exactly, C-man,

If the Snake River dams go (which they assuredly won't within the next ten to fifteen years), where will the funding come for salmon/steelhead recovery? Hanging our collective hats on removing these dams shouldn't be the only salvation to Columbia system recovery. We have lots of good habitat in the lower river whose wild fish populations are not doing well, so we need to deal with those issues, too, so there is evidence of poor management, other than the Snake.

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#995111 - 10/24/18 07:55 AM Re: SUSEWIND... why so lo-pro? [Re: eyeFISH]
Carcassman Offline
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I once suggested, and it was of course shot down, that all the Mitchell Act hatcheries downstream of the Cowlitz be closed. Their funding, and production, would be moved to the Cowlitz. Make that into a hatchery driven zoo. Restore wild salmon in all the lower Columbia tribs.

It would, at least in the short term, mess up Buoy Zooey, but the lower Cowlitz would be big enough to host a lot of boats.

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#995112 - 10/24/18 08:16 AM Re: SUSEWIND... why so lo-pro? [Re: eyeFISH]
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Once again the large number of his stakeholders in Pierce County seem to be marginalized.
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#995113 - 10/24/18 08:32 AM Re: SUSEWIND... why so lo-pro? [Re: eyeFISH]
Salmo g. Offline
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Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome supposedly is the definition of insanity. WDFW seems stuck on mid-20th century solutions that don't and won't work in this 21st century. Does that make WDFW certifiably insane?

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#995121 - 10/24/18 11:33 AM Re: SUSEWIND... why so lo-pro? [Re: eyeFISH]
Carcassman Offline
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Posts: 7577
Loc: Olema,California,Planet Earth
Perhaps. But given how WA already (doesn't) treat mental illness they'll just be left alone.

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#995132 - 10/24/18 01:06 PM Re: SUSEWIND... why so lo-pro? [Re: Carcassman]
FleaFlickr02 Offline
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Registered: 10/28/09
Posts: 3336
Originally Posted By: Carcassman
Keeping one's mouth closed prevents feet from occupying it.


I think that's it. Given the current climate of stakeholder relations (trying to screw each other out of fisheries), a WDFW Director who wants to keep his job will stay out of the public eye and earshot, so that when he shows up at North of Falcon, nobody can complain they were "lied to" or "misled" by the Department. Just toe the line and lower escapement goals when the forecast looks bleak, and he should have little trouble achieving his critical performance objectives: Don't upset the Tribes, and make sure the commercials keep fishing.

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#995148 - 10/24/18 05:56 PM Re: SUSEWIND... why so lo-pro? [Re: eyeFISH]
Larry B Offline
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Registered: 10/22/09
Posts: 3031
Loc: University Place and Whidbey I...
Region 6:

Skokomish
Point No Point Ramp (AKA Boat Launch to No Where)
Wynoochee mitigation

Could be an interesting meeting in Montesano.


Edited by Larry B (10/24/18 06:17 PM)
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#995150 - 10/24/18 06:22 PM Re: SUSEWIND... why so lo-pro? [Re: ned]
eyeFISH Offline
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Originally Posted By: ned



"I am committed to the mission of the agency, and that means hearing from people who care about Washington's fish and wildlife," said Susewind. "I want to share what I have learned so far, but listening to people and their ideas is my main reason for inviting people to attend these events."


OK.... I feel a little better, now. Thanks for the link/announcement, ned
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#995173 - 10/25/18 09:50 AM Re: SUSEWIND... why so lo-pro? [Re: eyeFISH]
ronnie Offline
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Posts: 308
Loc: Lacey


Carcassman's suggestion about the Cowlitz hatchery makes too much sense to be adopted.

The same might work in the Chehalis basin using the Satsop. The wild fish would have the rest of the basin to do their thing.
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#995174 - 10/25/18 11:30 AM Re: SUSEWIND... why so lo-pro? [Re: eyeFISH]
Carcassman Offline
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Loc: Olema,California,Planet Earth
If we are going to have anadromous fish hatcheries it makes sense to concentrate them in a small area where harvest could be concentrated. In GH, while the Satsop is an option I think the Hump would be better. You have a bay in front of it for marine fisheries, the fish would be fresher too. It would remove a stream with great wild fish potential but if you made the rest of the watershed wild, and actually managed for that, I think it could work out. Plus, the Hump has more water to use for culture.

In the long run, I think that if we are going to have hatchery production we need to do triage. Write off some streams for wild fish because we are going to grow hatchery fish. These might be streams like the Green, Cedar, Puyallup with intensive development. The tradeoff is that there would be no other anadromous hatchery production in the rest of the Sound.

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#995197 - 10/25/18 03:24 PM Re: SUSEWIND... why so lo-pro? [Re: eyeFISH]
eyeFISH Offline
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The problem is WDFW would only make one stream wild and the rest of them hatchery.
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#995205 - 10/25/18 04:10 PM Re: SUSEWIND... why so lo-pro? [Re: eyeFISH]
Carcassman Offline
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Registered: 11/21/07
Posts: 7577
Loc: Olema,California,Planet Earth
Only one wild stream and the rest hatchery would probably be, by far, the most popular position for them to take. Flood the water with fish, kill 'em all. What's not to like?

How many here think that the answer to our "salmon problem" is to plant more fish?

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#995208 - 10/25/18 04:38 PM Re: SUSEWIND... why so lo-pro? [Re: Carcassman]
Todd Offline
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Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
Originally Posted By: Carcassman


How many here think that the answer to our "salmon problem" is to plant more fish?


Lots everywhere think this, against all science to the contrary. Seems like just another part of the "elitist conspiracy" that is knowledge and education.

Queue Pink Floyd.

Fish on...

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#995214 - 10/25/18 05:34 PM Re: SUSEWIND... why so lo-pro? [Re: eyeFISH]
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Planting more fish has always been the go to for the Hatchery folks and WDFW. It hasn't worked to this point and I doubt that it will work in the future. IMHO.
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