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#972889 - 02/08/17 10:50 PM Are the good times really over for good
Black Bart Offline
Returning Adult

Registered: 04/28/10
Posts: 319
Loc: Adna
With all due respect to Merle, I love you and miss you ever so much.



I wish a buck was still silver
It was back when the fish runs were strong
Long before the R-5 clowns just got it all wrong
Before the hatchery haters, and all the tribal greed
Was when a man could still fish and still would
Is the best of the good life behind us all now
Are the good times really over for good?

Are we tumbling down stream like a slinky headed for hell
With slim to no chance for our kids to go fish and do well
Swing hookless bugs through the riffles, tailouts and wood
Our streams and the mission are misunderstood
The last of the fish runs are behind us all now
Are the good times really over for good?

Thanks American Rivers, TU, and WFC
The native salmonids are meant to be free
So long early winters, a dear memory
Back before Slamo crawled into bed with TP
Goodbye Spring fishing and budding cottonwoods
Is the best of the good life behind us all now
Are the good times really over for good?

No other options but crowding much smaller streams
Frustration and anger on each current seam
Humptulips fond memories with six boats per float
Big chrome fall Chinook could capsize your boat
With the fate of the salmon returning right now
Are the good times really over for good?

Are we headed downhill like a snowball headed for hell
Stand up for the flag and let's all ring the liberty bell
I know an old Willie will still float and still should
No matter to me if rowed with carbon or wood
I pray the best of the free life is still yet to come
Are the good times really over for good?





Edited by Black Bart (02/10/17 04:51 PM)
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Just lettin' it roll, lettin' the high times carry the low
Love livin' my life, easy come easy go

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#972892 - 02/09/17 12:10 AM Re: Are the good times really over for good [Re: Black Bart]
eyeFISH Offline
Ornamental Rice Bowl

Registered: 11/24/03
Posts: 12767
One of my favorites from the Hag, for sure, BB.



But the original had a much more hopeful final verse.

...

On another note, never imagined a Salmo slam ending up in a country song.

Sorry, Steve. Hope retirement is treating you better than the workin' life.
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"Let every angler who loves to fish think what it would mean to him to find the fish were gone." (Zane Grey)

"If you don't kill them, they will spawn." (Carcassman)


The Keen Eye MD
Long Live the Kings!

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#972905 - 02/09/17 08:24 AM Re: Are the good times really over for good [Re: Black Bart]
WDFW X 1 = 0 Offline
My Area code makes me cooler than you

Registered: 01/27/15
Posts: 4549
LOL.
You should search out a recording deal.

Oh.........................


and by the way..............................


The answer is yes.

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#972923 - 02/09/17 09:52 AM Re: Are the good times really over for good [Re: Black Bart]
Carcassman Online   content
River Nutrients

Registered: 11/21/07
Posts: 7437
Loc: Olema,California,Planet Earth
Well, one has t define "good times". Unfortunately, the baseline keeps shifting.

Someone in their 80s and 90s will probably have a very different view of good fishing, based on what they have seen.

As an example, if you enjoy pink and chum fishing in rivers then the last decade or two have been the best in probably 40 years. If you prefer steelhead, it sucks. Those who like walleye see the dawn of a new age of greatness.

That said, fishing how I enjoy it and for what I would like to catch is on the downhill so that a decision to go fishing in WA is harder to make, takes more planning, and certainly takes ore time.

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#972950 - 02/09/17 01:40 PM Re: Are the good times really over for good [Re: Carcassman]
spoonage Offline
Parr

Registered: 02/17/09
Posts: 48
Loc: Whatcom
Cool song- One of my favorite uncles used to say "These ARE the good old days." Now my kid likes to fish sockeye, pinks, chums, trout, panfish he thinks fishing is great. Making sure he enjoys these good old days.

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#973046 - 02/10/17 08:27 PM Re: Are the good times really over for good [Re: Black Bart]
Jason Beezuz Offline
My Waders are Moist

Registered: 11/20/08
Posts: 3440
Loc: PNW
Good one but I would replace snowball with snowflake.
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Maybe he's born with it.

Maybe it's amphetamines.

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#973272 - 02/14/17 10:20 PM Re: Are the good times really over for good [Re: Black Bart]
eyeFISH Offline
Ornamental Rice Bowl

Registered: 11/24/03
Posts: 12767
Originally Posted By: Black Bart
With all due respect to Merle, I love you and miss you ever so much.



I wish a buck was still silver
It was back when the fish runs were strong
Long before the R-5 clowns just got it all wrong
Before the hatchery haters, and all the tribal greed
Was when a man could still fish and still would
Is the best of the good life behind us all now
Are the good times really over for good?

Are we tumbling down stream like a slinky headed for hell
With slim to no chance for our kids to go fish and do well
Swing hookless bugs through the riffles, tailouts and wood
Our streams and the mission are misunderstood
The last of the fish runs are behind us all now
Are the good times really over for good?

Thanks American Rivers, TU, and WFC
The native salmonids are meant to be free
So long early winters, a dear memory
Back before Slamo crawled into bed with TP
Goodbye Spring fishing and budding cottonwoods
Is the best of the good life behind us all now
Are the good times really over for good?

No other options but crowding much smaller streams
Frustration and anger on each current seam
Humptulips fond memories with six boats per float
Big chrome fall Chinook could capsize your boat
With the fate of the salmon returning right now
Are the good times really over for good?

Are we headed downhill like a snowball headed for hell
Stand up for the flag and let's all ring the liberty bell
I know an old Willie will still float and still should
No matter to me if rowed with carbon or wood
I pray the best of the free life is still yet to come
Are the good times really over for good?





You forgot the parallel to the Ford/Chevy verse, BB.


I wish ABU and Shimano would still last 10 years like they should.
Is the best of the reel life behind us now?
Are the good times reely over for good?
_________________________
"Let every angler who loves to fish think what it would mean to him to find the fish were gone." (Zane Grey)

"If you don't kill them, they will spawn." (Carcassman)


The Keen Eye MD
Long Live the Kings!

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#973310 - 02/15/17 11:37 AM Re: Are the good times really over for good [Re: eyeFISH]
Black Bart Offline
Returning Adult

Registered: 04/28/10
Posts: 319
Loc: Adna
Nice addition Francis. Thanks
_________________________
Just lettin' it roll, lettin' the high times carry the low
Love livin' my life, easy come easy go

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#973311 - 02/15/17 11:58 AM Re: Are the good times really over for good [Re: Black Bart]
Carcassman Online   content
River Nutrients

Registered: 11/21/07
Posts: 7437
Loc: Olema,California,Planet Earth
Sometimes, though, one needs to ask is it catchin' or killin'? Talked to some Yellowstone Park bios and before C&R was imposed, the catch rates and sizes were going way down. Went back up until the lakers showed up to screw the pooch.

Former boss did his MSc in Idaho looking at no protection, large minimum size, and pure C&R. Where there was no protection the populations stayed low. In the high minimum, sizes went up, nothing grew much past the minimum size, even more effort and catch (included released) was above the old stock and kill). The other stream offered 100 fish days, bigger fish yet, but no kill.

So, what is "The Good Old Days"? Plus, let's say the annual kill on Zipperlip River was 500 steelhead. Spread among 100 anglers. Today, the catch is still 800 (WFC missed a hatchery) but it is now spread among 1,000 anglers. Which is TGOD?


This is not to suggest in the slightest that our current fisheries generally suck

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