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#500607 - 04/06/09 10:47 PM Obama schmobama (bananafana schmomama)
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Following Bush lead, Obama moves to block challenge to wiretapping program
04/06/2009 @ 8:41 am
Filed by John Byrne

Wants case against NSA dismissed

President Barack Obama invoked "state secrets" to prevent a court from reviewing the legality of the National Security Agency's warantless wiretapping program, moving late Friday to have a lawsuit that challenged the program dismissed.

The move -- which holds that information surrounding the massive eavesdropping program should be kept from the public because of its sensitivity -- follows an earlier decision in March to block handover of documents relating to the Bush Administration's decision to spy on a charity. The arguments also mirror the Bush Administration's efforts to dismiss an earlier suit against AT&T.

The Friday brief involves a lawsuit filed by the civil liberties group Electronic Frontier Foundation, which is suing the NSA for the wiretapping program. The agency monitored the telephone calls and emails of thousands of people within the United States without a court's approval in an effort to thwart terrorist attacks.

In attempting to block a San Fransisco court from reviewing documents relating to the NSA program, the Obama Administration is also protecting other individuals named as defendants in the suit: Vice President Dick Cheney, former Cheney chief of staff David Addington and former Bush Attorney General Alberto Gonzales. The Friday brief responded to the government agencies being sued; the individual defendants have asked for more time to prepare their response.

It also stands firmly behind the telecommunications giant AT&T. AT&T whistleblower Mark Klein revealed that the company allowed the agency to install network monitoring hardware to spy on American citizens.

The Director of National Intelligence, the Justice Department says, "has set forth a more than reasonable basis to conclude that harm to national security would result from the disclosure of whether the NSA has worked with any telecommunications carrier." AT&T is specifically mentioned. Public reports have fingered AT&T, Verizon, MCI and Sprint as participating in the government's eavesdropping efforts.

Acting Assistant Attorney General Michael Hertz penned the brief on behalf of the Obama Justice Department.

"The grounds for this motion [to dismiss] are that the Court lacks subject matter jurisdiction with respect to plaintiffs' statutory claims against the United States because Congress has not waived sovereign immunity, and summary judgment for the Government on all of plaintiffs' remaining claims against all parties... is required because information necessary to litigate plantiffs' claims is property subject to and excluded from use in this case by the state secrets privilege and related statutory privileges," Hertz and other trial attorneys for the Justice Department wrote.

The Justice Department also holds that the lawsuit can't proceed because of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. They assert that the US government has "sovereign immunity" against statutory claims that it illegally wiretapped or accessed communications data.

Congress expanded the wiretapping program in 2008 with passage of amendments to the Act, which gave telecom companies immunity for past and future participation in the program and expanded the legal use of warrantless wiretaps from 48 hours to seven days. The revised Act also allowed the government to destroy records of previous taps.

Obama voted for the revised Act while a senator last year.

The Electronic Frontier Foundation fired off a scathing press release Monday.

"President Obama promised the American people a new era of transparency, accountability, and respect for civil liberties," said EFF Senior Staff Attorney Kevin Bankston in the release. "But with the Obama Justice Department continuing the Bush administration's cover-up of the National Security Agency's dragnet surveillance of millions of Americans, and insisting that the much-publicized warrantless wiretapping program is still a 'secret' that cannot be reviewed by the courts, it feels like deja vu all over again."

The Obama Administration's full motion to dismiss
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#500644 - 04/07/09 12:45 AM Re: Obama schmobama (bananafana schmomama) [Re: h2o]
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Registered: 12/05/00
Posts: 565
Loc: Everett, Wa, USA
Don't worry its OK, it not Bush doing it so it doesn't matter. Its all about "change"!

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#500769 - 04/07/09 03:16 PM Re: Obama schmobama (bananafana schmomama) [Re: Vic]
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Registered: 03/08/99
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There goes the hoped for change . . .

Must be some juicy secrets in there for Obama to backpeddle from his campaign promises of transparency, etc.

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#500783 - 04/07/09 04:36 PM Re: Obama schmobama (bananafana schmomama) [Re: ]
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I was immediately concerned by the change in his demeanor and countenance after having received his first intelligence brief.

What concerns me most is that no matter which of the two political parties is in power there has been a continual erosion of civil rights and, even though its as plain on the noses on our faces, left and right both continue to decry the other as being to blame (libs want our guns!!) (righty wants our privacy!!)...

In our self-reightousneess we are failing to see that on the point of eroding freedoms there is much common ground. IMO, this common ground could potentially be used to divide and conquer the washington we have come to loathe and abhor.

A gays for guns/guns for gays coalition for example. I can't see where this particular example would ever gain that much traction but the idea is sound.

I also think Newt's suggestion of a third party is one party too few. Given Obama's seeming unwillingness to address the wishes of those hoping for the scope of change that was promised, I feel like Ron Paul will get even more attention next election, especially from the left.

I must say though that the thought of rubbing elbows with the likes of homophobes and racists that pervade libertarianism...militia groups, John Birch Society types etc...makes my skin crawl. They get an awful lot of the big picture economically speaking right though.

Its hard to make compromises with those whose ideologies we abhor. Its about time we at least consider the possibility though, before this thing gets so far away from us we find ourselves being asked to voluntarily board trains for our own safety (and no, I'm not kidding).
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#500792 - 04/07/09 05:16 PM Re: Obama schmobama (bananafana schmomama) [Re: h2o]
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Registered: 05/03/01
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Loc: McCleary, WA
Another person jumping on the Ron Paul bandwagon.!
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#500797 - 04/07/09 05:34 PM Re: Obama schmobama (bananafana schmomama) [Re: Dogfish]
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Registered: 10/31/02
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Loc: Portland
careful there andy, Paul gets labeled a conspiracy theorist for his views on the debt economy.

god forbid you should question any damn thing anymore.
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#500805 - 04/07/09 06:15 PM Re: Obama schmobama (bananafana schmomama) [Re: h2o]
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I doubt you'll see Ron Paul run for President again due to his age. Folks were worried before (in '08) about it, so what we need is a younger Ron Paul...

Any ideas?

Mike

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#500808 - 04/07/09 06:21 PM Re: Obama schmobama (bananafana schmomama) [Re: ]
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Loc: Portland
bless him, but he lacks charisma as well
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#500812 - 04/07/09 06:25 PM Re: Obama schmobama (bananafana schmomama) [Re: h2o]
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If we could get a guy who looks like Mr. Rogers to deliver the message, WIN.
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