Are the republicans.

This from a recent poll


The poll, conducted by the Associated Press, found that while 60 percent of Americans disapprove of the job congressional Democrats are doing, 68 percent frown on how Republicans are performing.

See full article here:

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/143817.html

74% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

It just goes to show you that I have been right all along. They are all assholes, and America agrees with me.

thats the funny thing about polls, theyre about as worthless as tits on a boar.

Dogfish. Agreed!


AM: My dad always said something was as useless as tits on bacon.

Hankster:

Apples - oranges. The site/poll you referred to was only discussing independents, not all voters.

Actually polls are accurate depending on the purpose. Several pollsters are very accurate but many are not. It is about how you and what you ask as a question. Party and issue pollsters spend time and money researching what the odds are of a response to a question is. Example is " Do you support the Obama Administration health-care plan ". No is the majority response if not biased.

Now that Libs are screeching do not be dismayed. If the question is " do you support the reform of the nations health-care system and cost control " ................. the answer is majority yes. The piece of bartered up crap that passed will not work and most realize this just as most realize the present system is broke. So it polls both ways but fear not, the throw the bums out thing is growing and sooner or later we will get election reform that breaks the hold of the two parties.

It is the way the question is asked that is critical in polls.

Unless the poll is by district it is little more than a point in time. National or even state polls not by district will not be accurate as to election returns. That a 55 / 45 spilt that is now 60 / 40 ( or larger or smaller ) means little as it changes nothing in the outcome. It does poll nicely though.

Dave is running scared like all the other democrap incumbents that are going to be kicked to the curb in 39 day's.

Once again the R's will have to clean up the mess.

All politicians are liars. The better liar + skillful spin doctoring = victory. It is an image game, not a truth game. Get people's heads all messed up around stupid crap like someone's religion or if someone can see Russia from their potty while dropping a deuce and they will lose sight of the important things like the issues that will actually affect their lives.

Baffle and Bewilder. Those are the codes. Hide the truth about candidate X. If it comes out, launch a counter-attack with the ever-useful "candidate Z is Hitler" posters.

I know zero Republicans who are not embarrassed as hell by the bible-thumping right. I also know zero Democrats who are not embarrassed by the freaky Maoist left. The rest of us are in the middle sucking our thumbs going "[censored]! fooled again!'

Beach time and relax you so guys enjoy. Better polls Hanster. One thing to dig into is something a Senator taught me. Find out if the base numbers are based upon citizens OR probable voters. ( not likely ) Makes a big diff. Also it seems Independents, male boomers are the pissed off ones. Women & young still hanging in the D fold and as they are the greatest users of government services that makes sense.

Once was told that 25% are MODO socy's are the D's base, 25% bible thumpers and god will get you are the R's base. The rest of us left/right of center depending how you peg center. In our state it was what was called a Scoop Jackson Demo or you could be a Rockefeller Republican ( or Dan Evans R ) and both were similar views. Once they were called the silent majority, then Reagan Democrats, now it is independents and frankly the D's are going to get the holy [censored] kicked out of them just like the R's did two years ago. It is throw the bums out time........................ but it is not for the R's but against the D's. The base of parties push forward things but why on hell the D's thought the Move On Dot Org bit would fly with bluedog D's and independents is beyond me. The plastic surgery queen and prince Harry have really screwed the President over but Mr. Clinton had the same thing happen and came out gunning and got more out of the R congress than the D one. BO he will adapt and frankly will do better as events make Presidents not parties. He just won't be happy about it. Life is a bitch.

Term limits for everyone....especially judges!!
For senators and congressmen.....2 terms
Governors...one term with performance evaluations by Dogfish every year!
President?....eliminate the position...

my 2

[quote=Slab Happy]Term limits for everyone....especially judges!!
For senators and congressmen.....2 terms
Governors...one term with performance evaluations by Dogfish every year!
President?....eliminate the position...

We have the ability to enact a term limit every election. Term limits would however in my opinion, allow the beaurocrats more control.

"Once again the R's will have to clean up the mess."

I've been around a few years now, and I cannot recall the Rs ever cleaning up a political mess. Left a few tho, as have their D counterparts. The thing I like best about having Ds in office is that they occupy a place that otherwise might have been filled with a RWWJ Republican. These days that's a positive service, but admittedly not the job I'd druther they actually do. But that would be asking a lot of anyone with Politician as a job title.

KInd of like this Murray/Rossi non-race. Murray doesn't really do much that impresses me. But I'll vote for her just to prevent the damage I'm confident that Rossi will do if elected. I wonder if this is what the founding fathers had in mind in regards to the electoral process.

Sg

Not taking sides SG but if you have been around a few years then YOU DO remember the R's cleaning up the D's mess. Reagan took over from Mr. Carter ( whom I voted for TWICE ) and managed to get the economy turned around. We had stagflation, inflation, sky high interest rates, oh hell it was a mess. It was a tax increase ( after the famous " read my lips " ) by Bush senior that allowed the Clinton Administration to go forward with surpluses. It also cost Mr Bush the election if I recall. One could also bring FDR in doing cleanup on the R mess which was a depression also.

Bottom line is both parties seem to have a knack for making a mess out of things. Pure chance seems to be the driver on who gets to clean the mess up. When I was a kid Mr. Truman was regarded as the village idiot. History says now he was one of the most pragmatic and successful. Ike was thought to be nice guy but did little. He now is thought to have done rather well. In fact some historians feel he was the perfect president for his time. Nothing really dramatic ( other than ending Korea and a new transportation system ) but he allowed for the country and world to recover from WWII & Korea, be it temporary.

Sometimes we all allow personal preferences to fog up the view reality provides.

I couldn't care less what the topic is.

What we need is.......

Mingo to post A LOT MORE...........

Now what was this thread about?

Sol Duc:

Too silly. I have repeatedly predicted a big R win. Afraid? Hardly. This is how our system works. We put in one party and they piss us off - remember when the D had big gains after we were tired of Bush and the Rs. It's the way of our system.

I believe we have such deep and systemic problems that no president or party will remain popular for long. It will take a miracle worker to resolve the deficit problem without alienating an awful lot of Americans, Ditto health care, Social Security, global warming, trade imbalance, etc. etc.

I predict repeated bouts of party power flip flops as the people become more and more disenchanted with how things are going.


My point was, and remains, that the people are mad at both parties, and for good reason hence the successes of the tea party movement.

But anyone that thinks a big R victory will result in them "fixing" what they perceive as our problems is delusional. For one, no one forecasts a R victory that will result in a filibuster proof majority and we will still have a D president. I predict what we will have is total gridlock. The Rs have said no to every D idea. Do you really think the Ds will go along with their agenda?

BTW I don’t think gridlock is all bad. Sometimes doing nothing is the best you can do.

Mr. Vedder, hats off to you guy! That is what they call a direct hit!

The man has spoken................................................