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#419005 - 03/01/08 01:01 AM Big Oil Bush
Steelheadman Offline
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Bush is such a crook its unbelievable, http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/28/bush-falsely-claims-hes-focused-on-gas-prices/

Bush: I’m ‘focused’ on gas prices but unaware of $4 gas.During his press conference today, a reporter asked President Bush what his “advice” would be to the “average American” who is “facing the prospect of $4 a gallon gasoline.” Bush replied, “That’s interesting, I hadn’t heard that.” Yet a few minutes later, Bush wouldn’t answer a question regarding donations for his presidential library because, he claimed, “I, frankly, have been focused elsewhere, like on gasoline prices.” Watch it:
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#419009 - 03/01/08 02:18 AM Re: Big Oil Bush [Re: Steelheadman]
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Registered: 03/07/06
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I saw it earlier....Unbelievable....

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#419013 - 03/01/08 03:11 AM Re: Big Oil Bush [Re: Knucklebustersonly]
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Registered: 06/18/03
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Let 'em eat cake.

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#419023 - 03/01/08 10:41 AM Re: Big Oil Bush [Re: cupo]
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Registered: 12/23/01
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Anyone who really believes one man "BUSH" can have an effect on the price of gas is just as confused as hilllary. It is the american way to blame someone else for our lack of intellegence. George doesn't set the gas prices. It is based on supply and demand. Now the supply is low, and the demand is high.

Should I gripe to bush that the cost of fresh chinook eggs is now 8$ a pound for good eggs, when he took office it was only $2

Maybe you would like to cry to bush about you house value going up over 100% in the last 8 years. He's no more resoncible for that than every american. We live in a world that we are outgrowing fast. Look at the population growth, it's staggering.

Passing the buck is not going to help. You want to blame someone for todays terrible economy, then blame the stupid banks who made mortgage to people who knew they couldn't pay if the interest rates went up. They sighned on those loans and can't believe the Government won't help them now.

those idiots are the ones who are dragging the economy down. those banks got greedy and now they are paying for it.
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#419026 - 03/01/08 10:45 AM Re: Big Oil Bush [Re: kevin lund]
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If i get this right, when the next president is elected, we should see $1 a gallon gas again?
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#419027 - 03/01/08 10:55 AM Re: Big Oil Bush [Re: kevin lund]
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If not for paying $3.39 a gallon in Moses Lake. It would've been funnier.

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#419033 - 03/01/08 11:14 AM Re: Big Oil Bush [Re: kevin lund]
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Lund, The DOE doesnt make a move without White-House consultation. The bush admin OKed the knee jerk decision to fill ALL US reserves to capacity in 2002 during a very strong market... Which is interpreted by suppliers as"demand" even though there really was no increase in demand by the consumer. The one time purchase of 40 million barrels used to fill the US reserves to capacity had an immediate effect on consumer level gas prices, to the tune of $100 million dollars per day passed on to the pumps. The sale caused crude to jump from 20 to 30 dollars a barrel while consumer level demand fell due to rising prices.
Thus a snowball effect.


Yes, Bush and his admin (with none other than Dick Cheney as head of the "secret National Energy Policy Group") can have a complete and total impact on gas prices.

Bushs reaction: "We are investigating..."

Uhh, The smoking gun is in your hand mister president.

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#419038 - 03/01/08 11:41 AM Re: Big Oil Bush [Re: Cirrhosis-of-the-river]
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A conservative told me that Bush had an energy policy and Clinton didn't have one. Instead of paying $.87/gal now we're paying $3.36/gal. The GOP can take their energy policy and shove it. I guess if you're in the energy business you're loving it.

Now they're going to be logging trees for fuel, http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2004252793_chevron01.html





Edited by Steelheadman (03/01/08 11:43 AM)
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#419118 - 03/01/08 06:43 PM Re: Big Oil Bush [Re: ]
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#419166 - 03/01/08 11:39 PM Re: Big Oil Bush [Re: ]
Steelheadman Offline
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Registered: 03/15/99
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So Aunty are you boycotting the spot prawn season this year ? Maybe you could ride your bike, rent a kayak, and pull all your shrimp pots by hand! Wouldn't it be cheaper to just buy prawns at the store? Think of all the cat food that would be saved. If you're buying cat food made with fish you are just supporting commercial fishermen.

Americans are not going to change their convenient driving habits overnight. If energy is that scarce then maybe gas rationing will happen sooner than later. http://edition.cnn.com/2008/US/02/29/gas.squeeze.irpt/?imw=Y&iref=mpstoryemail

I'm still convinced that Bush, Cheney, and all their croonies need to be investigated over oil. Even Greenspan said that he believes Bush invaded Iraq over oil. Does that make Greenspan a liberal?
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#419184 - 03/02/08 04:44 AM Re: Big Oil Bush [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: AuntyM
50 Ways To Save On Gas
29. Turn off electronics
Starting your car with electronic devices, like the radio and air conditioning, turned off, will put less strain on your engine which translates to better gas mileage.

Yeah right. By having the radio off when I start the truck, I'm going to save a bundle. I think not.

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31. Go the speed limit
When you drive, go the speed limit. It's calculated for maximum safety, but will reward you with maximum mileage. Count on getting more than 20 percent more mileage traveling at 55 than you would at 70 mph.


Name a highway in western Washington where I can drive 70mph. They're stop and go because of the heavy traffic, lack of mass transit, and non-stop road construction.

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#419211 - 03/02/08 01:52 PM Re: Big Oil Bush [Re: cupo]
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I think that higher prices will eventually modify our behavior and habit's. We will have to rethink, or reconsider, how we use our finite resources. Reality will dictate our actions. Those that can afford higher prices, can continue their oil addiction, with their usual dosage, until our leaders start rationing, or prices increase. As with any addiction, this will be a difficult process. We are so use to getting our corn flakes at the expense of others.

As a nation, we have way to many managers, that are draining the economy and resources. There is a need to adjust our thinking, so that there is adequate compensation for those that actually get their hands dirty, and do the work. The shoe makers, the sweat shop slaves that make our cloths, the farmers, etc., that actually do the work, allowing us to sit on our lazy azses at the computer all day, day dreaming of fishing, porno, or what ever.

There are way to many managers, that manage the few that do the actual work in this Country. This is part of the problem! Those managers (Multi layered) are paid the $100,000 + for a year of shuffelling paper, and doing make believe work, while the real work is done by someone that takes the metro to work, and can barley afford to heat their homes and feed their families at the same time. Those managers are usually the ones that commute to work by auto, from many miles away everyday, from huge homes that are energy hogs. Not unusual to have multiple managers, getting paid to manage the same single person at the bottom. This is a contributing part of our dysfunction. We need to stop whinning and admit that we are dysfunctional because of our debilitating disease, that is addiction. Addiction to cheap or free labor. Addiction to Oil, addiction to power, addiction to a dysfunctional system, that has brought us to our knees. That in a nut shell, is what's causing the withdrawal pain and suffering.

We have always assumed that we could have our cake and eat it to, which is delusional to say the least. It will take some time, but we will eventually be restored to our sanity, and capable of functioning in harmony with the planet and the rest of humanity.








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#419339 - 03/03/08 09:36 AM Re: Big Oil Bush [Re: ]
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Why aren't we offsetting the cost of policing and saving the world in Iraq with Iraqi oil?
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#419341 - 03/03/08 09:59 AM Re: Big Oil Bush [Re: ]
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Marsha....I think I'm your lost brother. Must be 'cause we had the same parents. \:\)

Your penny-pinching is obviously over-stated. As I recall you and Caveman showed up on Skok Trash Day with a full sized truck to haul garbage.

BTW, I hated Liver Fridays.....couldn't drown that stuff in enough catsup.
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#419389 - 03/03/08 02:01 PM Re: Big Oil Bush [Re: ]
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Registered: 03/17/99
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Aunty is right about the weak dollar. The largest single cost increase has been due to the falling value of the dollar. Since Bush took office in 2000 the value of the dollar has fallen by half compared against the Euro. Look at the cost of oil in Euros instead of U.S. dollars and the picture doesn't look as bad.
Secondly the oil refinery capacity has not increased in the last 20 years and now that demand is out pacing supply of refined oil products the price has gone up and up. The oil companies are making record profits but they aren't investing in any more refining capicity. Why should they, they will make more money by reducing capicity.
Oil is traded on the world market and the Chineese and Indains are demanding more. With the new $2500 car India is developing the demand for oil will increase. Because of the increased wealth of the Chineese ( by our demand of their cheap goods) more of them will be able to afford drive.
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#419450 - 03/03/08 03:38 PM Re: Big Oil Bush [Re: ]
Dave D Offline
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Why aren't we offsetting the cost of policing and saving the world in Iraq with Iraqi oil?


I have been wondering this also.

Another thing is the corporations may not switch from oil as our main fuel. They still have vast deposits of shale form oil, way more then there ever was in liquid form.
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#419458 - 03/03/08 04:01 PM Re: Big Oil Bush [Re: Dave D]
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It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.

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Oil refinery capacity hasn't increased because nobody will let them build more.


Nobody will let them, or they haven't even tried?

That's what I thought.
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#419464 - 03/03/08 04:09 PM Re: Big Oil Bush [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: AuntyM
We've had this disscusion many times. Gas prices are high because of 4 main things.

Weak dollar
Refining capacity is deliberately kept stagnant to increase profits
Supplies are tight so price goes up

Oil futures/speculation drives prices even higher.


The corporations, not Bush, continue to rape us on these two points. The tight supply stuff quoted by the daily newsrags always refer to mid-east or African supply problems as the cause of our gas prices going up. Too bad that oil never makes it here - it goes to Europe and Asia.

The Saudis send us plenty, but there is no supply problem from them EVER.

Oil exporters link: http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petro...ent/import.html
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#419468 - 03/03/08 04:38 PM Re: Big Oil Bush [Re: Mikespike]
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If anyone can get me transcripts of Cheney's closed door energy policy meetings I'll tell you why power, natural gas, gasoline, coal, etc are up. Water is next.
A president can directly effect prices. He appoints the overseers. As we saw with Enron and the FERC. Appoint someone industry friendly who looks the other way and industry get's by with murder.
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#419474 - 03/03/08 05:01 PM Re: Big Oil Bush [Re: stlhead]
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This reminds me of the only thing I liked about WalMart - purchasing agents(and all other employees) were not allowed any gifts of any kind, not even pencils and paper from vendors.

Our gov't staffers are so chummy with industry that they become industry when they leave the gov't job. Wouldn't happen at wally-world.
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