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#774086 - 07/23/12 04:01 PM Penn State Sanctions
Twitch Offline
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#774093 - 07/23/12 04:44 PM Re: Penn State Sanctions [Re: Twitch]
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i dont agree with them personally...

the school fine, not sure about, but why take away scholarships for future kids, take away all the wins for the team, that the kids gave them, not allow the kids now, and in the next 4 years to be able to play in a bowl game, what happens if they go undefeated?

personally, i think the Dean, and everyone involved with Sandusky should be fined, fired, and investigated...

dont punnish the kids for something some old jackwagons did... thats not fair...

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#774119 - 07/23/12 06:11 PM Re: Penn State Sanctions [Re: ]
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Mark Emmert claims no program can be too big to fail yet he goes on to explain they couldn't give them the death sentence because they are too big to fail (would hurt the community, the band, etc). Huh?
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#774140 - 07/23/12 06:47 PM Re: Penn State Sanctions [Re: stlhead]
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The NCAA can't not impose sanctions. But the problem with sanctions is that they always penalize people who had no association with the crime other than association with the university. And those who did the crime, other than Sandusky in this case, bear no penalty. Maybe the former university prez, VP, and AD will be prosecuted in this case, but then this case is different from almost all athletic breaches of conduct where the star running back gets a new car on the sly, etc.

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#774206 - 07/23/12 09:36 PM Re: Penn State Sanctions [Re: ]
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This is nothing new, all NCAA sanctions punish the current players. USC received sanctions 4 years after Bush was gone. You vacate the wins because (1) It removes Peterno from the record book (2) They gained an competitive advantage by cover this up. Do you really think PSU would have got the recruits from 98-2011 if this had come out (granted very few of those players were any good) but no one would want to play for Pedophilia University.


Edited by gvbest (07/23/12 09:36 PM)
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#774209 - 07/23/12 09:52 PM Re: Penn State Sanctions [Re: gvbest]
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Who is this supposed to satisfy?
The kids who were subjected to Sandusky?
Well the whole thing fails miserably.
It's not about the students, nor about the kid's football team. It's about one coach for sure, and maybe about a second.....but that really hasn't been made very clear to me. Paterno, I understand, reported what he saw to a superior.....now they are saying that wasn't enough? Did I get that right?

Maybe he should have done more. I believe he himself said that, but I wonder if anyone else would have "done more" after reporting it?

This reeks of someone scape goating Penn State for reasons other than addressing the real problem.

I'm not minimizing the impact of what happened, but sometimes....maybe a lot of times.....there is no way to make up for a failure that unjustly affects others. Life happens and it ain't fair....tough stuff to live with, but a helluva lot of people have to do just that.

The whole thing sucks.....and I don't think Paterno got a fair shake in the deal.
My 2
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#774211 - 07/23/12 09:54 PM Re: Penn State Sanctions [Re: ParaLeaks]
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It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.

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He's dead, so he won't mind.
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#774216 - 07/23/12 10:03 PM Re: Penn State Sanctions [Re: Dan S.]
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Some sensible some stupid... Fine the School, Ok. Fine and prosecute
any and all that knew and did nothing.
Don't penalize the students for the same connection to the crime as
to "original sin," that's ludicrous.
Don't destroy an educational system that has a lot of good things in
its' history.
The collateral damage is high already.

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#774218 - 07/23/12 10:08 PM Re: Penn State Sanctions [Re: Illyrian]
Dan S. Offline
It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.

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The message is certainly clear.

Don't facilitate the rape of children. If you do, the punishment will be severe.
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#774223 - 07/23/12 10:14 PM Re: Penn State Sanctions [Re: Dan S.]
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Dan, what should the punishment be for teachers who screw their students?


Edited by Slab Happy (07/23/12 10:15 PM)
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#774224 - 07/23/12 10:15 PM Re: Penn State Sanctions [Re: Dan S.]
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Trouble is, the message is way too late and addressed to a lot
of people that have no connection to the events.

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#774225 - 07/23/12 10:20 PM Re: Penn State Sanctions [Re: Illyrian]
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It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.

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I'm not sure what teachers screwing students has to do with the conversation, because that isn't what took place here.

The school facilitated the crime. Therefore the school is going to be called to the carpet for it. Is it fair that current students and players will suffer for it? Of course not, but it wasn't fair to the kids involved that the school swept it under the rug, either.

The current USC players are being punished for what occurred at SC when Reggie Bush was there. Not fair, but what do you propose they do...........punish Reggie Bush now?

It's NCAA justice, and that's the way it works.
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#774229 - 07/23/12 10:24 PM Re: Penn State Sanctions [Re: Dan S.]
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OK....no argument....
I just don't like it.
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#774232 - 07/23/12 10:27 PM Re: Penn State Sanctions [Re: Dan S.]
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Well let me see. If I was a PSU football player I could (1) stay and play (2) Transfer without sitting out a year (3) Not play football and continue to go to school on scholarship. Not really seeing much actual punishment for the players. I know getting a free education is such punishment. Have you watched PSU football in recent history? They were not going to go to a BCS game (or playoff now) and most of those guys are not 5 star recruits.
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#774254 - 07/23/12 11:16 PM Re: Penn State Sanctions [Re: ]
Dan S. Offline
It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.

Registered: 03/07/99
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I'm sure Pete would be intimidated by the NCAA.
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#774311 - 07/24/12 08:36 AM Re: Penn State Sanctions [Re: ]
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What will the NCAA do with the $60 mil?
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#774322 - 07/24/12 11:29 AM Re: Penn State Sanctions [Re: ]
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Since the joepa statue is now removed maybe it should be replaced with a statue for each victim that he looked away instead of doing something

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#774327 - 07/24/12 11:52 AM Re: Penn State Sanctions [Re: Coho]
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Grown men representing an institution had the opportunity to save many kids from the torment of a monster. They made the wrong choice when there was only one choice to make. Absolutely no excuse. None.

Burn it to the ground, is what I would have done. They got off easy.
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#774341 - 07/24/12 01:12 PM Re: Penn State Sanctions [Re: Dogfish]
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Sorry about the collateral damage, but that's the way it goes.

Many thousands of innocent spouses and children lose their meal ticket, spouse, and parent when criminals are jailed every day. It may not be fair, but that's the way it is.

Fish on...

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#774362 - 07/24/12 03:01 PM Re: Penn State Sanctions [Re: Dogfish]
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Originally Posted By: Dogfish
Grown men representing an institution had the opportunity to save many kids from the torment of a monster. They made the wrong choice when there was only one choice to make. Absolutely no excuse. None.

Burn it to the ground, is what I would have done. They got off easy.


Totally agree DF!

Sundusky needs to burn (DanS?) grin

To bad joepa isnt alive to stand trial!!!
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