#822728 - 02/14/13 11:07 AM
What Is The Thought Process...
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River Nutrients
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...of the Seattle progressive leadership? Raise parking fees to get people out of their cars? Or, is it to raise costs so much that businesses cease to exist in the city? City blinks on parking rates, hours — in one neighborhood, at leasthttp://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2020353092_chinatownparkingxml.htmlBefore someone simply lames out and calls me a RWWJ, it's about balance. Pugetropolous hasn't had political balance for decades. Idealism is fantastic, until reality kicks you between the eyes.
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#822743 - 02/14/13 12:18 PM
Re: What Is The Thought Process...
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I'm not sure I expect that Seattle's progressive leadership has a thought process beyond "pluralism is representative government." Making sense, efficiency, consistency, and fiscal logic aren't inherent attributes of the process.
As for parking fees, an economic assessment would point out that if priced too far below market value, you'll never find an open spot; and if priced too far above market value, revenue will drop with many vacancies. Priced right and the city maximizes revenue with a balanced supply of vacant spaces to be had. Other logical reasons affected parking prices are if vehicle congestion is perceived as being too high, then some of that congestion can be priced out of the area with higher parking pricing. Lastly, it isn't the city's job to price parking for the benefit of individual or clusters of businesses. If parking is essential to the existence of a business, then that business should include parking as part of its facility. But that would be a logical type of analysis, which is not the province of either progressive liberal nor conservative types of government.
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#822747 - 02/14/13 12:27 PM
Re: What Is The Thought Process...
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It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.
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They don't have these problems in cities not run by progressive liberals.
Oh wait.............yeah they do.
Someone call me when businesses cease to exist in downtown Seattle, k?
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#822800 - 02/14/13 02:45 PM
Re: What Is The Thought Process...
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In 1973 I had a urban geography professor tell the class Portland was going to do away with cars in the down town core area. I was amused with this concept, 40 years later I think he might be right. The best way to get rid of cars is make it hard and expensive to park. Mass transit is the future, like it or not.
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#822814 - 02/14/13 03:19 PM
Re: What Is The Thought Process...
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They shut down most of Market Street in S.F. to vehicle traffic with minor sniveling from shopkeepers and elderly/disabled people. Metered parking here is based on how close the spot is to a business. Right out front and depending on the time, it goes for $5.25 per hour. Further away and it drops a buck.
Holidays used to be free, but they stopped that. Sundays used to be free and they stopped that too. I guess they figured they get more revenue from meters than they spend on meter maids.
A meter violation is a $72 ticket. At some point the expense and hassle won't be worth it and people will instead use mass transit.
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#822818 - 02/14/13 03:41 PM
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Maybe my "cease to exist" was a bit of hyperboly...? Dan, I wouldn't expect for you to see any gray in one of my comments. When you say you're going to light someone on fire, do you? Or, are we supposed to see some gray in those comments?
Salmo hit it again. Not much to add.
Really just found the article to be something that could have been written back when these parking fees were increased. It was predictable, yet our elected officials couldn't see past the the sure dollar. Progressive is what we have, if our officials were TeaPartiers I'd have used that term. I'm not an apologist for either side.
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#822820 - 02/14/13 03:50 PM
Re: What Is The Thought Process...
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Illahee, check ridership for the Sounder, SLUT, passenger ferries that have come and gone, etc. The only mass transit system that works in this area has been buses. Metro has serious financial/funding issues but it doesn't help that billions have been thrown down the rathole that is Sound Transit. Commuters from Olympia to Marysville aren't seeing any benefit from the billions wasted so far. Not to mention what it's done for taxpayers in this region.
Look 50 years down the road and tell me how running an occassional train down BN's line into Seattle at the cost of hundreds per ride is going to help business or commuters.
Some balance might help the region, but it ain't gonna happen.
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#822839 - 02/14/13 04:43 PM
Re: What Is The Thought Process...
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They don't have these problems in cities not run by progressive liberals.
Oh wait.............yeah they do.
Someone call me when businesses cease to exist in downtown Seattle, k? The Bon Marche. About a week after they closed Pine St. Just sayin-
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#822856 - 02/14/13 05:30 PM
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At some point the expense and hassle won't be worth it and people will instead use mass transit.
As hard and as inconvenient as they try to make it in S.F. and as high as fuel costs go up, mass transit use in the form of riding buses keeps going down. Routes are dropped north of here on a regular basis. East and south of here, BART and Caltrain riders increase their use a little. The city was even floating a plan to make parking spots in private business lots paid. Can you imagine going to a grocery store and finding a price increase to cover parking expenses? It didn't fly. Portland vowed 30 years ago there would be no more major freeways built in the Metro area, the city has opted instead on a 35 mile East West light rail, North South lines run to the airport and Clackamas Town Center and from downtown to the Expo Center. New lines are being built to Milwaukie presently. Down town has trolleys running on many side streets. http://trimet.org/maps/railsystem.htm
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#822857 - 02/14/13 05:30 PM
Re: What Is The Thought Process...
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When you say you're going to light someone on fire, do you? Seriously? You asked this question?
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#822876 - 02/14/13 06:33 PM
Re: What Is The Thought Process...
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First time I ever had the pleasure of eating sushi was as a wee lad in Seattle. While many rolls have rice, this had smelt eggs. True story. Hated Seattle ever since. A city of nothing but sky scrapers. It's like an asian New York..Except it lacks any sign of character.
NYC= fuhgeddaboudit
SEATTLE=furagretabroutit
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#822893 - 02/14/13 07:23 PM
Re: What Is The Thought Process...
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First time I ever had the pleasure of eating sushi was as a wee lad in Seattle. While many rolls have rice, this had smelt eggs. True story. Hated Seattle ever since. A city of nothing but sky scrapers. It's like an asian New York..Except it lacks any sign of character.
NYC= fuhgeddaboudit
SEATTLE=furagretabroutit There's a fine line between sushi and bait, I think you might have crossed that line.
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#822897 - 02/14/13 07:37 PM
Re: What Is The Thought Process...
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My Grandparents lived in The City (SF) while I was growing up (50s-60s). My Grandmother didn't drive. We took the streetcars to Downtown, the Zoo, Stonestown. If necessary, we took the cable car to the Fisherman's Wharf area. Really didn't need a car to get around then.
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#822908 - 02/14/13 08:56 PM
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Why do they call themselves "Progressive" when everything they do goes backwards?
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#822963 - 02/15/13 12:41 AM
Re: What Is The Thought Process...
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Why do they call themselves "Progressive" when everything they do goes backwards? Let me give you another example of that. The Bay Bridge was damaged during the '89 quake and to tell you the truth, it needed to be bigger to handle the 280K cars a day anyway. The original estimate was $1B...but Jerry Brown was mayor of Oakland and Willie Brown was mayor of S.F. when things were being decided. They got into a dueling libtards battle over design and whatnots. Willie had investors (campaign contributors) in the Yerba Buena island projects and they needed access via the bridge. Moonbeam wanted a bridge design like the Golden Gate. The result is a wonderful new bridge (still not completed) that's 10 years behind schedule, $5B over budget and to top it all off, the major components were manufactured in China. See my sig lines. Only thing Cali has on Warshington is a 10 year head start.
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#822970 - 02/15/13 01:03 AM
Re: What Is The Thought Process...
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It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.
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Is there something that keeps you here sniveling instead of heading off to some conservative wonderland like Kansas or Missouri where they don't get bogged down by progressive liberal idiots?
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#822980 - 02/15/13 01:14 AM
Re: What Is The Thought Process...
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Is there something that keeps you here sniveling instead of heading off to some conservative wonderland like Kansas or Missouri where they don't get bogged down by progressive liberal idiots? Not sure 'bout Kansas but Misery is starting to get bogged down by "progressive liberal idiots". Kansas is what I think Dante would describe as.... almost as close to hell as texas.
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#822986 - 02/15/13 01:38 AM
Re: What Is The Thought Process...
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Two words: Joe Diamond
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#823021 - 02/15/13 11:17 AM
Re: What Is The Thought Process...
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It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.
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Yeah, move on back there. Try to talk 'em in to supersonic choo-choos they can't afford. See if you can't get 'em to change their minds on some really sensible gun control while you're at it. You'll be a big hit. Uhhhh...............I'm not the one sniveling about the place I currently reside, but thanks for paying attention any way. The question was why don't you crybabies just move on off to where liberal idiots are few and far between, where you can avoid all these liberal-caused problems? Is it that you're just not happy unless you're sniveling about something?
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