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#322264 - 11/29/05 11:34 PM Anyone know a good Dentist?
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A board member and myself went up on the Skagit Watershed today and found this

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#322265 - 11/30/05 12:15 AM Re: Anyone know a good Dentist?
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We had a coho at the Dungeness hatchery last week with the same "underbite"? I've also seen it in some greenback cutthroat at the Denver aquarium.

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#322266 - 11/30/05 12:25 AM Re: Anyone know a good Dentist?
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Registered: 05/17/01
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I didn't know the Skagit had a run of Wolfeels. ;\)
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#322267 - 11/30/05 12:33 AM Re: Anyone know a good Dentist?
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Dx: Maxillofacial hypoplasia.

Looks like the piscine version of a bulldog, pug, or Boston terrier.

What does a steelhead say when it runs into a concrete wall?

DAM!
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#322268 - 11/30/05 12:37 AM Re: Anyone know a good Dentist?
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When Todd pulled that one up I had to take a picture of it
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#322269 - 11/30/05 01:00 AM Re: Anyone know a good Dentist?
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Yeah...that one was a beauty!

I've seen a few of the hairlips, but this one was the most severe I had ever seen...there wasn't a quarter inch of space left for food to get into that monster's mouth...but I guess it must have made do, since it got back to the hatchery.

Fish on...

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#322270 - 11/30/05 10:58 AM Re: Anyone know a good Dentist?
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Even the ugly ones deserve a mate. I hope it was at least able to share a redd with the other half after being ridiculed at sea for a couple years. \:D
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#322271 - 11/30/05 11:15 AM Re: Anyone know a good Dentist?
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Registered: 11/22/04
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Thats not a salmon, that's a dorado that took a wrong turn somewhere around Ensenada.

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#322272 - 11/30/05 11:29 AM Re: Anyone know a good Dentist?
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Homer2:

I see that "Honey Bin" in the background, and that "honey" dripping off the gloves....seems that one was a bit ripe for the BBQ???..

As my daughter would say..."EEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW"

It is a wonder how some of these fish survive with the dental work they have.That lower lip is worse than Forrest Gump's shrimp fishing buddies !

Mike

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#322273 - 11/30/05 11:53 AM Re: Anyone know a good Dentist?
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Originally posted by Kid Sauk:
I didn't know the Skagit had a run of Wolfeels. ;\)
Hey now, even the ugliest wolf eel is prettier than that beast!

Check out these beauties!

Parker\'s Wolf-Eel Gallery
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#322274 - 12/01/05 02:07 AM Re: Anyone know a good Dentist?
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Here a picture of a HARD worker



OH YEAH, he was the one who found HAIR-LIP

PS Todd I couldn't get pass Lookout Creek today 8 to 9 inches of new snow
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#322275 - 12/01/05 02:22 AM Re: Anyone know a good Dentist?
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Who is that good looking devil? I bet he can really fish 'em up!

Fish on...

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#322276 - 12/01/05 10:43 PM Re: Anyone know a good Dentist?
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Registered: 04/12/05
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I am a dentist in orthodontic school. However, I don't think I could have helped that fish out. FNP is right in that it has a severe case of Maxillary Hypoplasia. I think it is in need of a Lefort III maxillary osteotomy/advancement. Glad it did not get a chance to reproduce. It looks like it has some type of syndrome (Treacher Collins or Cruzons maybe).

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#322277 - 12/02/05 12:53 AM Re: Anyone know a good Dentist?
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Yes, a very severe case of Maxillary Hypoplasia, but what syndrome caused such a severe deformity in that fish?

Cruzons? Possibly, since the eye structure of that fish appears to be somewhat enlarged. The apparent flat and recessed forhead of that fish is caused by bicoronal synostosis or brachycephaly during early childhood development. This type of suture fusion is a tell-tale sign of Cruzons or even Apert syndrome, however, this is difficult to diagnose in fish since the maxillofacial composition of a fish differs from that of humans. Is it genetic? My guess is no, since Cruzons can be an autosomal dominant genetic condition which would mean that a hatchery worker bred a mutatated fish.......God, I'd hope not! Most likely a fresh mutation with no affected parents.

My Dx:

Coffin-Lowry syndrome

Why? The symptoms of Coffin-Lowry syndrome are more severe in males and so far all or most of the fish I've seen with maxillofacial abnormalities have been males. The symptoms include maxillary hypoplasia, palpebral fissures (downslating eyefolds, look closely at the picture of the fish...you'll see them), hypertelorism (hard to tell from the profile picture), and large ears and eyebrows. Do fish have eyebrows? ;\) Actually, suffice to say a "lateral line", but do fish have ears? Mental retardation is often included with Coffin-Lowry syndrome, however, it is nearly impossible to diagnose retardation in fish.......hatchery fish are stupid, but are they retarded?

It all stems from a defective gene on the X chromosome. I believe that it is a direct result of inbreeding. We need to stop using fish stocks from the Appalachain Mountain strains! They are tainted! I hope you guys bonked that fish and threw it away. Intentionally wasting fish is illegal, however, this fish should be disposed of and never allowed to pass on any of it's genes. It's not genocide when it comes down to deformed fish.....it's common sense.


BTW, Isaac, how would you perform a Lefort III maxillary osteotomy/advancement on a fish? Their skeletal structures and sutures are night and day to that of humans. How would you perform osteogenic distraction on a fish? Skeletal traction? Osteotomy?
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#322278 - 12/02/05 12:59 AM Re: Anyone know a good Dentist?
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Damned impressive for a SquidSnagger, Kid!

Must have stayed at a Holiday Inn last night.

You didn't really give up a medical career to become SquidSquawk did'ja?
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#322279 - 12/02/05 01:07 AM Re: Anyone know a good Dentist?
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Kid Sauk

That's a hen

That guy with me that day told me stories about you
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#322280 - 12/02/05 01:13 AM Re: Anyone know a good Dentist?
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Kid, LMFAO & ROF !

anybody can see what caused that freak fish's problem.............just look at that giant chaw of Red Man in his upper lip. He has EddieVanHalenitis, a condition caused by years of abusing tobacco products. Probably driven to it by being yapped at daily on the home redd by his pudgy hen, ValerieBertinellus Mykiss.
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#322281 - 12/02/05 11:36 AM Re: Anyone know a good Dentist?
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Registered: 12/19/03
Posts: 7710
Loc: Poulsbo
Damn, kid, was that a legitimate burst of intellegence or did you inadvertantly discover a blend of pharmaceuticals that make people smart. \:D

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#322282 - 12/02/05 01:50 PM Re: Anyone know a good Dentist?
Todd Offline
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Methinks that The Kid has finally discovered Google!

My head's spinning still!

Fish on...

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#322283 - 12/02/05 06:02 PM Re: Anyone know a good Dentist?
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Originally posted by Sol:
Damn, kid, was that a legitimate burst of intellegence or did you inadvertantly discover a blend of pharmaceuticals that make people smart. \:D
I say the Kid got hold of some quality anejo.........it always leads to extreme lucidity.............then dead silence and loud snoring for about 12 hours
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