Hi Everyone ... I recieved an email from Fishslayer AKA Lureman asking that we forgive his BB sins and be allowed back on, promising that he'd 'behave' . Impressed that he had the initiative to ask, I told him that I'd leave it up to the board memebers. So ...

1) leave some feedback on the board under this heading, or
2) email me at rlball@olypen.com if you'd rather not have your feedback viewed in public

and I'll run with the general concensus. Thanks in advance

Hi Bob. Hope you're having a good summer in AK. -- I believe in your topic heading, to forgive and forget, if this person seemed genuinely contrite in his message to you, and if the attitude and behavior are appropriately changed if he is allowed back on. Fishslayer recently started posting on our BB and he got off to a bad start in his first couple of posts. I was aware of the history here, so I e-mailed him stating I believe in second chances and that if he kept his posts about fishing and non-offensive we'd give him only one more chance. So far his only post since was benign. Maybe some forgiveness and some earned acceptance of this person, who wants to belong to something good like this BB, will help better this young man? Time may tell. He did not take my suggestion to change his moniker for a new start. If the members vote is to let him back on he may not be able to shake the image he has created and have a frustrating time, so I hope he would do that for his own good. - That's my 2 cents and 1 vote for another chance. - Steve

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I think most of us had the advantage of growing up in the pre-Internet era, where the expression "Ready, Fire, Aim" was a joke and not a description. From this perspective the simple recommendation is "Let him back on, but he has to realize he's on 'double, secret probation' (aka 'best behavior')." That's my official view.

But here's my unofficial gut reaction: (a) I think 'Fishslayer' is a young, impulsive person -- under age 30 in any event; (b) most young people don't really change even if you give them second and third chances -- any more than old fellows do; (c) but if Fishslayer actually sees some value in his being allowed to participate on the Board then he'll be big enough to apologize under his own name and (d) he knows that as a condition of being let back on that "third strike you're out", and realizes that the Board is about constructive advice then reinstate him. Otherwise, forget it: stay angry and write about it, but do so on another bulletin board and leave Bob's place alone.

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If he wants to vent off-line about anything and everything -- starting with this post -- then shoot me an email and I can turn it around overnight. (I'm at bawest@pacific.net.sg.)

You have my vote to let him back on. If he is sincere about a new start we will soon know. "to err is human to forgive divine".

Don't forget Ephesians 4:32

Sincerely,
Doubletake

Why not. Like Snags said, Double secret probation. One more synical outburst, and it's a life sentence. What the He*l, I made a mistake once. Keep it low key, because most of the people I hunt and fish with, think I'm perfect. I would hate to dissapoint them. LOL. How about a group apology, and we will return with a group hug. Tight lines Bob.

I've pulled a few bonehead moves in my earlier days. One case in particular I was given a second chance and I made the most of it...it changed my view of people and life and I haven't forgotten that to this day.

The issue here is sincerity. If your gut tells you he is truly remorseful...give hime one chance. If it seems like a snow job...let him chat somewhere else with the pond scum of humanity.

Like Snagly said, "three strikes and your out". One last chance. My .02

This site is one of the only reasons I get on the internet so give him one more chance and then if he misbehaves then cut his wire.

Chris

Bob,

I've blown it in MY life at times when it comes to communication! It's a slippery thing!

If the poster to this forum has decided to be constructive and part of a HEALTHY, SUPPORTIVE and CONSTRUCTIVE community, then I vote to give him another shot!

It's difficult and embarrassing to walk back into an online community, (or ANY community), after offending someone. If this fellow's willing, then I imagine he's been a bit humbled. NONE of us have 'arrived'...we're all in some sort of 'process'in this life. There's lots to learn about fishing AND life on forums like this one. I'm a believer in giving the PEACE sign with BOTH fingers up...not just the middle one...so...C'mon back friend, and try again!!!

A SIDE NOTE:
Tom...of the fish counting variety, says Hello (while spitting salmon scales outa his mouth and laughing heartily!)...and, of course, beautiful Molly as well! (He got skunked on the Sky last week!!!) Hope all is well with you!

Take Care!
L

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I can't believe you are giving him this much attention.

People deserve second chances, but must be held accountable for their actions. If they are willing to make amends for previous actions and understand what happens if they don't. Give them a chance.

I also believe age is a factor on peoples actions. We have no idea of peoples age when they post topics on the internet. Of course we can guess from what we read. I think he is a kid with some misguided practices and beliefs. He can't learn if he can't participate.

Tight Lines

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Steelheader.net marty@steelheader.net

I keep hearing about age as a factor. I have to say outright that is bunk. Half of you would drop your rods if you knew how old I am. The other half would shake their heads. If a person is going to be a pain, they will be. No age is going to effect it. It is all in the maturity of the person. I know 50 year olds going on 12. And I know 15 year olds going on 70. That said, three strikes and your out.

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Bob and all the others:

I don't agree....let him stew....Shut him off for 3-4 months...that's not a long time but will give him a chance to see the "error of his ways".....maybe???

"Worse day sport fishing, still better than the best day working"

Hey Bob, How about posting his E-mail,or excerpts from it, get a better idea if he really means it.

Bob,
It would seem to me that a 1-3 month suspension would suffice with the understanding that any future transgression within the first year would result in a total ban.

We all make mistakes. Part of taking responsibility for them includes accepting the resulting sanctions and then going on.

John

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Okay coming from the person who has the biggest mouth of all, if would be very hypocritical to say "Dont let him back".
Those who know me and you know who you are, know I have the biggest smartest loudest mouth there is and I am always getting in trouble because of it.
Let him back but if he screws up make it double payback...if he screws up this board should vote on a punishment for him.
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Ryan

I believe you sould forgive, but I know a lot of people will not forget. I think we sould give him a chance and hope his attitude changes, it sounds like his Email is really sincere. No one is perfect. Its just a BB.

Why not give hem another chance ( don't know of his previous blunders), but another out-burst and, END OF THE LINE , NO FORUM FOR YOU!

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C.D

i defended him not knowing he had only changed his name.
But i think he has already come back.
Check the profile of one gonefishin, has a stern way of talking, is from the oak harbor area and is in law enforcement.
If he can keep it fish related and there is no threats of shooting a kayaker or tuber on some river or from behind some trees, then let him stay.
He can not hide, his demeaner is very clear as he posts.

elmtree (woody)

I can't beleive we are giving him all this time and effort,he's just here to stir the [Bleeeeep!] and create conflict , this guy and his buddies from another BB are laughing their ass off at all the simpathy they are generating here and we are feeding their fire...DUMP HIM... too late he's already back

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