That's what I am talking about Osprey. There is such good information on this web site so "why even complain" about others posting information about a so called secret river. I can see if you told someone in confidence of a desireable piece of water on a certain river and they blabbed about it here on the BB that's totally different. All I was getting at is when someone tells of a good fishing trip......Say on the Salmon, Lyre, Duc, etc, that is what it's all about. Sure I have my secret holes on a lot of Rivers....even the highly fished rivers you can find a good stretch of river that produces fish after fish. My intent on this topic was not to find and reveal new fishing holes but it was intended to tell people to stop complaining about rivers that other people fish. Not all are secrets. I haven't heard of a river on this site yet that I haven't fished here in Washington. Yes I used to put a lot of time in on the rivers before my daughter was born. Good fishing Osprey. I hope to have some information to share with you soon once I get back on the river. Dan