Sigh .. not sure how this post ran under my 'radar.'

I gave up on flo. leader materal long ago due to cost .. and one onther major "thing." It's too soft/limp.

I'm almost 100% fly rod, usually a spey rod, and I do my leaders with flo carb. main line. Personal pref. is the 'Silver Thread' which you can get through Cabela. Material is 'stiff' and stong with the flo. carb. features, but makes a far better leader material as it 'trasmits' the cast energy out the line/leader to the fly.

In context, most of my leaders are at least 12 foot long, most closer to 15-18 unless I'm using a sink tip or a full sinker line. Yes, I do use a full sink line, and I'm getting more into this as I move along in 'higher water' conditions. Sink tips, uless DAMNED HEAVY, really don't get that deep into the water coloum; a full sinker (as much as they can be a pain in the butt) REALLY get down and dirty in higher flows.

You just have to get used to 'rolling' them back to the surface before the next cast. "major " problem, as the Brit's would say is a 'drowed line.' E.G. It's deep and you hook a fish; thing will stay down and give you an interesting problem of a 'sunk line' if the fish comes up to the surface. As in a full floater, fish goes 'airborne' on you .. By By Mr. Fish