Yeah, CM, I think it was the late 1980s when they shifted to using locally returning hatchery winter steelhead broodstock, instead of fresh imports from Tacoma every year. At least on the Skagit and north sound tributaries. And but for a few exceptions, hatchery winter steelhead returns went from bad to worse. And now we have hatchery stations that can't make, or just barely make, broodstock needs even with no fishing. With the poor ocean survivals these days, I'd like to see an analysis of each hatchery program to see if any of them pencil out economically, or if we're just pouring money down a hatchery rat hole.