I am glad that wasn't the owner Bob, as I was told by some friends to go there for some tips. After spending like $20 on stuff I didn't need, the only advice I recieved was to "hire a guide". On my next trip out there I will stop in and give Bob a chance, as I would rather spend some money at a small outfit than make a rich person richer, ie;Thriftway. As for praying to the god-o-mychoice, I am praying to the god of Steelheading. I spent 4 hours fishing the Green with no success this afternoon and I just want to see what these things feel like. Thanks for the heads up and don't take my ranting too seriously.