I get your drift, riverswild. Unfortunately, you're right, most people are lame. But I still have hope, maybe in vain, but I'd like to do something, even if it's nothing more than getting an electronic petition going or maybe jamming the markey with e-mails just to get them thinking about it. I doubt it would work, but maybe if the media took notice........I mean, none of these are original ideas, I just don't see that as an excuse to give up. Well, my offer is still good to anyone out there!!!! Riverswild, sounds like you've tried before. Still up for it?