My bud has a pair of the grub creek and the rivets popped out right out of the box, since he's too lazy to take them back he duct tapes them every trip now. I personally hav ethe Danners with the studs and love them (have for 6 years now), it is loud walking on asphalt or in a boat (which I dont do much anyway) but I've never even come close to losing traction, Good luck and stay away from the grubbers.