Slabman,
In deed Rip-Lipper is really Lip-Ripper, its a long story as to why but Bob straightened it out except for combining the # of posts. After suggesting using 8' plus leaders was really snagging, I feared other members on this board would try and kill me and my family so I went under cover. See you out there.

P.S. I am still waiting to hear someone say they have that west-side ride for the boy and I.

RIP LIPS!
:p