Thanks fo the imput.you guys have confirmed what I thought after seeing one in action.Oh yea it wasn't bob that talked me out of a spey it was a couple of old boys In bob's.Bob is a good friend of mine. Sorry about the missunderstanding. Actually they never talked me out of it,just made me think about it differantly.The guy I watched could roll cast farther than I can back cast.That in itself seems like would open alot of area's that I would have to leave alone.I am so used to 10'6'' rods that I have problems with the 9' fly rod.I am used to keeping more line out of the water.That keeping more line out of the water seems to be even more imprtant in presenting a fly in a bigger river.The rod that I watched was a 14' that came out of cabelas.It seemed a little too powerfull.He was fishing bright chums on a medium sized river and had no problem controlling them.The 12' is probably about right.Hell my 10'6'' already give me a back ache.