That is what my fishing partner, who now lives down in Oregon, says.Says they will about pull the rod out of your hand!I've had a couple of big wild fish do that but that was with a spoon.lost both of them real quick.You guys down in oregon seem to have a reel good fisheries.My buddy moved to pendlton and has been having the time of his life!I told him this forrum was really good.Hopefully he logs on.Sure do miss fishing with him.I havent been able to find anybody that actually likes fishing since.Lots of guys that like catching though.