Thanks for all the info guys!

Bob, I wasn't talking about pinning the birdie in place, but rather a bead above the birdie.

Coot, like your method of threading the leader through the worm with a needle. I'll have to try that. I've been pushing it up over the hook point and up the shank onto the line. Really puts a big hole in the worm and I can't put a bead below it to prevent the worm from slipping down the hook. Now I can! Thanks!

Steelheadaddict01, I was at Freddy's a few days ago and at G.I. Joes/Fisherman's Marine and couldn't find any. I think they're getting awful popular! I would try them if I were you-if your gonna be fishing out here that is. Maybe them big Montana trout don't like the worm?

RT, I guess I'll have to try them with a float/jighead, I just like bouncing them on the bottom with a slinky better though...for right now. I did see those black/red worms-should of got a pack of them too Darnit, they're probably all gone by now. Oh well. BTW, I don't think the Berkleys are hand poured are they? The other ones I got said they were hand poured on the package and seemed more fragile. They even started tearing when they would slide down the hook shank. These hand poured ones were also square shaped on one side and fattened out from top to bottom like a tapered fly leader. BTW, did you really buy 17 pink worm packs at one time? Now that's overly obsessive!

Also, what color again is merthiolate or merthiloate or however you spell it?

Thanks again guys!