If you are looking at boats like smokercraft don't forget Westcoaster. They are made by Valco, are all welded and tough as nails. I know Harvy's Marine in Aloa OR has a 17' one they would like sell. They have had it for quite a while and I am sure would be willing to deal. It has a 70hp pump on it. I have the 15' modle and love it. It rides great, is stable, handles well, and catches fish.