Wait a minute here! back up the ramp. weren't these Vision advertised as (hand sharpened). I too have seen a lot of faults, like the eyes being rough arounf the edges, some points are dull. just drag a gami across your thumb nail, then try a vision big difference. got to remember these are kimchi hooks, Made in So Korea i believe. sorry if i'm wrong. but i sure do like there swivels there awesome.