im loving this topic that rich,cowlitz,etc started, go read all this, very insightfull, i dont think you guys have touched on another topic though, what about housing? despite the army corps, which are idiots by the way, and the tribe, who are good people by the way, what about the development of the shore-line so the ppl can have their "senic view"? and what rich stated about wild release is absolutely true! we should never keep wild fish, they are the only link to the type of fishing we had back in the day, hatchery fish will NOT recover a system no matter where you get them from or how many you plant, they are inferior. another problem is we have guides on the penninsula who will take a cleint from seattle put in at the upstream 101 bridge on the sol duc and hammer a huge wild steely, thump it and the client flies back with it to seattle that night, to show "their epic battle", now while we dont have many that do this, there's still enough,and while these topics arent the full problem it is a good portion of it....greed....and thats all it is, i mean a 4 or 6 fish limit?? give me a break!! oh and the wdfw, dont get me started, great workers, which im a member of,parttime, but its all run(like everything else in this world that matters) by politics, we cant do what we should because the ppl who arent getting their way call their beaurocrats can they give the dept. a raping with a k16 kwickfish...what can we do?? i expect by the time im your guys's age we wont have any wild fish left,except in alaska, but by then alaska will have our EXACT same problems...western culture...the annihilation of every thing good rests in its wake...