Actually if you were able to think about it my original post was intended towards a larger target......the "in the gill plate" logic in general on any and all rivers. But as you have chosen to attack so specifically I gotta ask...are you putting me in the same category as what you just described? Just want to know before eaten someones throat out again? I made a admitted mistake and apologized to Stifler but am finding it difficult to stomach your possible implications dude?