Vic Im afraid that there is no way for me or anyone else to get you to take a look at your thinking and how it shapes your world. frown I think that Dan S, stlhead, AuntyM and others have more than provided clues to build a more realistic view of politics in general. Hope to keep these forums, a political propagada free zone. If it relates to fishing I can buy it but I fish to get away from politics. Expect to be rejected if you come with and adgenda and want to force it on others. mad
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Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of
Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter
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-- Albert Einstein