Vic I have seen guy's like you that yell and point fingers all my life and one thing that I have noticed is that the noice you make drown out the sounds of truth and logic. I consider myself and independent when it comes to politics, that way I don't have to conform to a good old boys club where everyone else not in the club( Republican Democrat) is assumed not to be honest, caring and responsible. I will vote for the person that I think is most qualified no matter which party he is affiliated with. All we have been saying is take a look at whats wrong and be willing to make a difference in changing it without reserve for one party or another. :p