lol. Can't help it. I gotta do it. Pmartin have you ever seen the video news clips of the Shiite worshippers engaging in group flagellation. Their cause is religious. The self-flagellant folks on this forum have some other motivating force. Definitely not religion. Aannd they love to skin anyone that might have another viewpoint.
It's like a bunch of curs engaging in a, if you'll pardon the expression, Mongolian cold nose circle cluster. I admit it is fun to see them carry on, but it gets boring after a while. Same old party line, over and over. just watch.