Originally posted by Krijack:
Ok, Its been awhile since Sol posted his challenge to khock, and I know he is probably out of town, but still I feel a need to answer his challenge. So, here I go...
Sol, 1*The first thing I would like to point out is that I don't know of anywhere in the bible that incest is considered a sin.So, if you feel guilty or were admonished about something in your youth, it wasn't the act of incest that would of been the sin, but rather the act of having sex with someone that was not your life partner. If, we are to believe the biblical story, the risks associated with incest, ie. in-breeding and recessive chromosones, would not have been present, since the bodies would have been in a perfect or near perfect state. As sin entered man, then the body was corrupted and incest would have become more and more of a problem. If there was a commandment against incest, it would have had to do more with the dangers of it, rather than the actual act. I will leave it at that and let you respond.
Now, I would like to address your statement that the belief in God is illogical. 2*In my opinion, the exact opposite is true. As science progresses, it is becoming more and more evident that God, in some form, must exist. This form is where most of the debate belongs, rather than than on his (its,her,etc. include) existance. If we look at the quark, we find subatomic particles that combine in different combinations to eventually create the very cells that you mention as being the start of life. If science is right, then inherent in each of these quarks is the basic laws of physics from which all mater forms. 3*In essence, these quarks are your God. Since they most contain all the laws of physics within them, then within each of them is the ability to create everything that is and will be. They also have to be infinite in nature.
4*So, in my humble mind, it comes down to believing that an inanimate object, or objects, with no apparent form, knowledge, or ability to think created everything, or an animate object with knowledge started it all. Rather than just believing that all mater is, was, and always will be and that every thing is inherent in every thing,5* I choose to believe that the order of the universe was not and is not chaotic in order (and could not be unless we believe in a universe without the laws of physics) but rather was created by an animate, thinking being.
How I came to my personal beliefs in what form God takes are a whole different story and take a much longer path of discovery. 6*The truth is Sol, you remind me a lot of the sceintists who keep getting excited about finding water or evidence of water in space. They insist that they are open minded and they are searching for life, but in reality they keep looking for life in the forms we know it. In essence, they say they believe in a universe of infinite possibilities but put restrictions on these possibilities at the same time. Any sceintist who says God can't exist, is denying the basic fundamental belief that most sceintific hypothesis are based on.
So Sol, while I am not very versed in sceince and physics, I am a deep thinker, a conservative christian, and a lover of debate. So, come at me with all you have, I may not have all the answers, but I certainly will try my best.
Hope you had a great trip, are nice and relaxed, and are up to taking a few shots at me.
1]Leviticus 18:6-18 'No one is to approach any close relative to have sexual relations. I am the LORD. If you dont know the book you're preaching about then you really aren't that much of a christian.
2]In your opinion? According to your own people the fundamentalists, Science is all a big lie, and God exists in faith alone, (ie, you gotta believe it to see it, as opposed to vice-versa.) Would you care to share some details of this "scientific proof" of gods existance? If God were PROVEN to exist, since he exists in faith and faith alone, his proven existance would cause him to vanish in a puff of logic.
3]Riddle me this, Smartypants: What are quarks made of?
If Quarks are "God," does this mean that Leptons are Satan? And if Leptons are Satan, doesnt this mean that an Exorcism would cause a physical body to vanish into subatomic particles upon completion? Sounds an awful lot like Buddhism and the attainment of ultimate enlightenment.
4]Obviously you don't have a humble mind, or you wouldnt be here coming off as all knowing and all seeing like you are, but you are right about one thing, it all comes down to believing. Some people just can't function without convincing themselves that Daddy is up there on a cloud still holding thier hand.
5]You deny Entropy?? It goes against the laws of Physics? You yourself have rejected the laws of Science, but when you need to pull something out of your ass, you claim something goes against the laws of Physics? Entropy IS the laws of physics, and as a matter of fact is the foundation of the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics which must've been conveniently left out of that Creationism class you had back in Home Schooling. Furthermore, it was proven over 100 years ago that all trajectories are unstable, in that all particle trajectories diverge exponentially from one-another, thereby *Proving* chaos not to be a faith, a myth, a fable, a fairy tale, or even a Reader's Digest Condensed Book, but a FACT.
6]Water is one of the most basic molecules you can find, and they've known about Ice in space for Centuries. What they get excited about of late is finding it in places they never thought to look such as under Lunar or Martian strata.
I know Im not Sol, but we both decended from the same Monkey, so I figured it'd be OK if I answered in his stead.
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