Well said Slab Happy. I don't expect to convert anyone through this, but do expect to learn something. Hey, I learned a little bit about entropy and the bible already. Over the years I have learned a lot more by being stupid and arguing then I ever have from an arguement I won. I am sure I drive a lot of people I work with nuts, but most of the break throughs I have had have been from asking why. Twenty times in the row I will be given a hastily answer. Sometimes I walk away satisfied. But, sometimes, on the 21st time the answer comes back at well, in that case you could do this or I don't know why that is that way. After years of doing this, I have uncovered a few gems that have paid off well. I don't ever claim to know as much as an expert on any of these things. I only take what little I do understand and look at it in a different way then most people.