I watched the going ons in the klamath river case prety closely when it was happeneing and I want to share a little info on that fiasco by the califaorna (my home state) goverment. The klamath water project was bulit in the 40's for the farmer so they could take a semi-desert area and turn it in to a productive food producing area.(we all have eaten food or beef from here) last year the serria club had one of its bought and paid for judges in the bay area rule to cut water to thousand of farmes and ranches( the people who feed us) to save Not the salmon but the pike minnow and the sqaw fish(native species) Oh by the way you can not call it a sqaw fish in ca. you have to call it a northen ca. pike minnow or some damm thing. The natives got thier feelings hurt by the name sqaw (a indain word).This action by the courts coused thousands (yes over a thousand) farmer to sell land in order to cover the cost of seed that they had planted and that died from lack of water. Some of them lost the farms and homes that had been in the family for a long time.the courts refused to broker a compremice of say half the water so the farmers could grow enough crops to at least cover their cost. The feds had to come in and stop the whole thing before it turned in to a shooting match. As for the salmon that are on the state endangered list. ( I won't argue about this becouse like religon every one knows what the facts are and no one ) argees). The state of californa dept of fish and game (serria club members that now work for the state) has made the decisson to brake salmon in to two different speics. Wild and hatchary( I wonder where the hatchery fish came from?) by doing so they have artifaicly lowered the numbers to a point that they can call the salmon endangered when in fact they( LIKE THE SPOTTED OWL)( dont get me started) are not . This is all so they can stop the destustion of the holly mother earth. The destrution of mother earth includes the driving of cars(any cars) the eating of meat(yes that inclueds fish) the buliding of homes (except thiers) logging (see homes and toliot paper and printing sts)The farming of land (so we can eat) the shooting of animals and the practice of hunting( fishing is hunting just cheak the peta web site) the building of roads citys schools and everything else in life that a healty socity needs. If you think that I am crazy just read some of their web site. The stated goal of the serria club,elf,alf, peta,the nature conservtory(these people talk the state in to selling them public lands and then do not allow the public on them. they support T-f-ing-U and I have lost mile of fishing access on the cosumes and other rivers in ca. to these a-holes but dont worry they buy land here too) sorry back to the stated goals . They want and expect to get all buildings and roads in the serria range removed above 3000 ft. here 3000 feet may be up the mouantian but in the serras thats the foot hills. They want all vechicals (cars boat bikes horses, a non-native species,atv's 4x4's) restricted from going into the mountains or desert or beach or swamp ( sorry wet lands) plains, deserts water ways , bays,sorry tidal zones and any where else out doors. They include the following means to achive there goals. The forced control of population growth (that does not include their own famlies) The removal of a road based socity.( you know highways) The forced relocation of the population. (they figure the citys are great ,they all live there and we should all live there to, ) The removal of all borders between countries (one big happen veggien world) . The list goes on . They want it and they expcet to get it if it takes a 100 years. The problen is they tell groups like TU that they will not bug them (sue) or they will allow TU members to contiune to fish and hunt if they help them with this or that. the closesure of the hatcharies is a great example . The push by these oginzations to close hatchories is not to benifit the wild salmon stocks but to lower the number of salmon to allow then to be placed on the endagered list and to remain there so no one (not even T-f-ing-U) can fish becouse fishing is hunting and hunting is murder. I lived for one year in davis ca. and have heard people talk about all this as if it is a fact of life that will happen. Please if you think Iam full of it log on to the ELF web site Or the PETA web site. surf the boards and see what is beening said. it will scare you. I know I am off the subject from where i started , but not as far as you think I am.