I grew up mooching PD, think I was about 7 when I landed my first salmon (lotsa dogfish before that) - that was 45 years ago - and I stuck with it for years, mostly out of dogma, but 'rigging beats mooching 10 to one for me, and with today's low numbers of fish out there you'd be far better off getting a couple 'riggers and getting with it. <img border="0" alt="[Goldfish]" title="" src="graemlins/goldfish.gif" />