Grandpa - And lunch tasted good too - thanks. It inspired me to call KVI and call them fascist pigs !!! :p Actually, I have done somewhat of an interesting exercise. I listed all of the presidents since Ike (my lifetime) and rated them on my perceived sense of their morality and my perceived sense of their effectiveness as President. I then gave them a combined score. This raised Jimmy Carter up (good man morally) and raised Bill Clinton up (good job as President). I did this prior to replying to BBVD's post so that when I stated that GW is one of the worst in my lifetime, it came from somewhere other than my a$$. What I found out was that out of a total possible score of 8, no President scored more than 6 or less than 4. And yes, GW Bush scored a 4 (along with Lyndon Johnson) and Bill Clinton scored a 6 (along with Eisenhower, Kennedy, and George Bush I) The rest - Nixon, Ford, Carter, & Reagan scored a 5. Now, admittedly, I really don't know about the moral characteristics of these men and my judgement of their strength as President is truly subjective. However, it was interesting that both parties were represented at every score. I don't know if that means I have no courage of conviction or if it means that I have matured to the point that I no longer see politics as black and white - just the many shades of gray!!! And thanks again for lunch, I will buy next time. It was great to see you again.