elk
there is no win or lose in that situation, ya I admit there was a topic we started out bad with (and you know which one it is).
And ya I carried the frustration over here,
where I get frustrated is, that to many people voice what they consider fact!
where I am methodical (Athenian philosopher) most people aren't, here someone out completely and don't just jump on a band wagon (even if they are incomplete).
and as far as guides on a pole, come down here to vancouver sometime and use my lamiglass fly blank I made for my baitcaster nuff said.