Bob and weave...bob and weave...at the end of the day it is the same end game: Stop the hatcheries at any cost.

I think I read Rob Allen say that WT is going to have to sue WDFW again to force them to implement the reforms and closures WT wants to see. If they do I won't be one of the surprised ones.

On the point of minimizing the successes or should we say promise of some of the new practices being tried by the likes of LLTK. Ramon seems to dismiss those very exciting new hatchery reforms by saying they are isolated or mini-reforms and therefore not significant. I suppose in comparison to his goal of shutting most of the hatcheries down completely they seem insignificant. They are , however, experiments with promise. The practices being tried with successes could be adopted in many systems and perhaps we could find a way short of extreme measures to save fish AND fishing.

If you buy into the program WT is selling fine. For me the more I read the more convinced I am that their extreme agenda is dangerous to fishing in general and very selfish and one sided. WT and the people who support their agenda think in their hearts that they are right and the majority is dead wrong. Could it be that the majority is more right and WT is dead wrong? I think it is entirely possible.