Todd - I stated those three facts as I see them being true from the evidence at hand and if, after three years of intermittent discussion, the validity of those three basic facts remains unchanged in my analysis, then it is unlikely that my appraisal of history will change in the future.

Bob - You mention that without harvest, the Hoh would have made escapement validates that the stocks there are in good health. In looking at the chart for the Hoh I notice that the stock has made escapement during 6 of the last 7 years. The escapement was missed by a large margin last year due to an unpredicted and large drop in run size that resulted in an over harvest.

It appears that this discussion has come to an end but I will leave you with few quotes fromGeorge Orwell.

"Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past."

"Doublethink means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them."

"The great enemy of clear language is insincerity. When there is a gap between one's real and one's declared aims, one turns, as it were, instinctively to long words and exhausted idioms, like a cuttlefish squirting out ink."

And finally a corruption of one of Orwell's mos famous...

"All fishermen are equal, but some fishermen are more equal than others."
(Especially when it comes to increased opportunity.)