Like you Canyonman I too am an optimist... \:D The other thing that we learned last night was that the WDFW is making a big effor this year to record catch numbers and try and get the most accurate count that they can. I personally thought the overall tone of the meeting was very positive. Mike from the shoot tribe did a great presentation and really did a great job on explaining the tribes catch meathods and count meathods.. There are also Tagged fish this year. A gal Kelly? from the U-W has tagged some fish as well as placing radio transmitters in some bellies. There is a white tag with her information on it so you can send the tag and information back to her or you can take them to Outdoor Emporium for a chance to win a Very nice rod and reel combo.. ;\)