Happy to get some replies! YES, Phreak , a photo would help my fishing effort. I was actually asking about plunking sliding weights, and tried many variations today. BUT, I am done and off to attempt the drifting again. So,these are drifting slidings. I have a hard time with the hole punch but can break up lead before I go. I'm not a total wimp, but I have a hard time punching lead in the middle, it's a pain for me, but can prepare before. Is the plastic tube thing old hat now? I will follow any advice, but have been known to monkey rig my line as to what I think may work. (big mistake sometimes). Thanks again for the replies, I am always listening!