Smalma......thanks for a balanced input. Really.

I honestly believe that the all too common roadblock to success is created by only providing supportive arguments. It flat turns me away when I am fronted with a barrage of selective data that doesn't voluntarily show it's shortcomings. There seems to me to be a strong belief that "the end justifies the means" and anything goes as long as it gets me what I want. Shameful stuff, IMHO.

I find it refreshing and challenging to participate in a process which works towards a real solution, and that, in my estimation, seems most possible when ALL the data is considered.

We all want healthy fish runs, and whether anyone wants to address it or not, restoring rivers to a state where the maximum number of fish have spawning and rearing grounds won't do a single thing to increasing overall run sizes if we continue to manage for maximum sustainable harvest. We would only kill off the increase.....we are soooooo smart.