wow, first time I looked at this thread since posting. I guess I lead the thread in a wayward direction by lack of guidance on the input desired. I talked with a gentleman today who seemed to think that the pentagon was struck by a f-16 directed stinger missile (since it was not televised like the towers) I just get tired of hearing retoric, we here what is publicized, you could go on for days about the abu prison camp and who really knows the story? before you awnser how many of you were in the military? I am in now and here is the run down. the CMC sends out a message to "be safe", the the general sends out a message refering the the CMC saying not only will we be safe but we will do so by not driving after dark, then the Col. sends out a message referencing the above two saying that not only will we be safe and not drive after dark, but we will also carry a first aid kit in our car where ever we go during the day while being safe. then to top everything off, the local unit commander sends out a message saying that we will be safe while not driving at night only after ensuring we have a first aid kit on board and to make sure we are, we will report back to work the morning after being secured for the weekend and the night before returning to work to make sure that we are being safe. this is the type of ass protecting the goverment is in the business of. they are not worried about our safety, they are worried about thier ass's thats why the officers got letters of reprimand and the soldiers are facing courts martial ! bullsh!t in my book and it should be in yours to. politics is not a place I want to waste my time, in my opinion, the voting system and the candidates involved are a battle we will never win, those who say that money and power have nothing to do with it are full of shiate, why else does the bush family have several members in HIGH places, the kenedies( chime in here I know there are others) polotics is all about who you know sure we have the freedom to vote for who we want, they give us the choice of 2-3 people who have the fincial and social backing to make it on the ballot. I have not and never will vote until the common man has the power to say" we want ned the local barber to be president" this will never happen because the campaigning that would be required would be concidered a riot. just my 2 cents flame away in the end I have a half ounce of truth in there if nothing else