No but then the topic was 250 swift boat vetrans saying Kerry is lying. Saying things like he refused to patrol up river and wanted to stay in the delta. Saying he was no where near Cambodia, Saying that he self inflicted two of his 3 PH's wounds. Saying that they feel he came to vietnam to stage things for his ultimate goal of running for president. They are generally saying he is a lying ,cheating , self serving individual that is unfit for the CIC title. Which has nothing to do with Bush and everything to do with Kerry. Stick to the topic.