Eddie,
I bet i could find just as many people that think you are an ahole as those that like you. Does that define you? No, it only means something to the viewpoint that I want to bring.

Iraq was a Shiathole by our standards before we went in and will be a Shiathole for many more years . Turkey is a Shiathole by our standards and it has been quasi secular democracy for 50+ years. So all this hand wringing about degrees is just that hand wringing. The bigger battle of starting to show an entire region the benifit of a constitutional democracy has just started. It will be a very bumpy ride for a long long time. Name anything in this world that has any value that did not come with great difficulty? Either you believe it is something that needs to happen or you do not. If not and you have a hands off view the end results have some pretty serious consequences. Much more serious than what is going on now.