thanks for the offer vhawk, but i know that whole river from the mouth way up past the campgrounds(before somebody chimes in, i know you can't fish for salmon above 101 but there is some real nice trout and steel water up above)...sometimes i just choose to fish amongst the crowds, often times i will find productive water to have all to myself, i guess it just depends on when and with whom i'm fishing with...i will send you a pm though soon, we can probably learn something from one another anyway...later, pac