Thanks for the info I will definately give them a call. I know what you mean about hard work, thats why I need to get it done before the fishing gets hot and heavy, after my first 2 days on a chainsaw all day I dont think i would have been able to pop the downrigger clip if i had to. what type of trees were you mostly dealing with Firs? The ones we are dealing with are mostly alder and oak, and boy does that oak give you a workout.