Here's some more info that I've been tossing around. Throughout this entire planning process we have always managed both the Humptulips and Chehalis fish together in marine area 2-2 (the bay) the departments reasoning is that the fish intermix out there before they make the journey upriver. I disagree, but that is how we have been doing things for quite some time.

At the montesano meeting March 19th I asked Ron Warren if he ever seen a day when we started managing the two stocks seprately, and his response was "No, not with the current tiering plan that we have in place". Not the answer I was wanting to hear, but definately the one I expected.

The reason the department groups these two stocks together is to get this huge unrealistic number of chinook in the bay by using the Humptulips fish to boost up the numbers. The Chehalis chinook run is not healthy, but the Humptulips chinook run on the other hand is very healthy.

When we got the meeting in Olympia on Monday Ron breaks out the Humptulips and Chehalis chinook stocks seperately. This was a major curve ball that I was not prepared for at all. The department is great for giving you false numbers, no time to prepare, and passing the buck but for everything else they are worthless.

Here is some more info...

We have never seen a Grays Harbor model, they say it isn't user friendly so we never get to see how it works.

The first numbers are Chehalis fish only...
They modeled marine area 2-2 9/16-9/30 the sportsman would kill 923 chinook. 10/1-10/30 the sportsman would only kill 501 chinook. In the mainstem Chehalis we are supposed to kill 667 chinook the whole month of October.

The Chehalis tribe will take 20 chinook in the month of October.

The commercials will get 3 days October 8-14 2/A and 2/D with live boxes would kill 147 chinook, with out live boxes would kill 327 chinook. Along with 6,706 coho.

Now for Humptulips fish: Marine area 2-2 9/16-9/30 the sportsman would kill between 271 and 509 chinook. Marine area 2-2 10/1-10/30 the sportsman would kill between 147 and 276 chinook. In the Humptulips itself the sportsman would kill 699-1310 chinook in the month of October.

The commercials will kill 195 chinook with live boxes or 433 with out October 8- October 14. October 15-20 the commercials will kill 277 chinook with liveboxes and 615 with out.

Total sportsman chinook kill chinook 3,030 and 7,658 coho

Total commercial chinook 760-942 and 7809-8343 coho.

AHHHHH!!!!

Harbor-Hog

I am sure I will have more all night to post and keep you guys updated....